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		<title>By: Giants Cardinals Game Preview &#187; Giants Gab</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: andrew ilnicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew ilnicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well its all over, CC Brown is still on the team.</description>
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		<title>By: Russo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NFL.com had a write up on possible players that may be moved and Atogwe was one of the players mentioned.</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse Bartolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Bartolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik-

I&#039;m not undervaluing any players as far as trade value would go, however, I should have clarified that in the N.F.L. teams trade players they have a willigness to trade or players that don&#039;t fit the direction the team is heading.

Atogwe is not untouchable, but he&#039;s not being shopped for sure.


True Hope and Griffing are gamblers, BUT They can make plays. C.C. Brown doesn&#039;t making plays in the passing game.

I&#039;d rather have players who might take a gamble on a play and let a big play happen over a guy who just lets big plays happen.

Right now where in a spot where there are no turnovers back there and no coverage that&#039;s the worse of both worlds.


I completely disagree about Baltimore, I think they are pretenders.

I&#039;m not a huge Flacco fan, they don&#039;t run exceptionally well (though Ray Rice is starting to look really good) their defense is not very good either, especially at cornerback and they can&#039;t beat good teams.

Loses to Cinncy, New England and Minnesota
Sure they beat the Chargers, but the wheels on that bus are coming off fast too.

Last year they lost almost all of their tough games as well.

As they failed to beat Indy, New England, Pittsburgh (any of three times), New York, Tennesse when they were good (since being 10-0 last year Tennesse is 3-10 including playoffs), they did beat the receeding Titans.

They did beat a very lucky Dolphins team, a Fading Dallas team that was already given up and the Eagles before they got hot.


So even if you count the Titas win, the Eagles win, the Dolphins wins and the Cowboys win and the Chargers win they are what 4-10 against good opponets the past two years?



Pretenders.

They are fooling themselves, but not me.

Ed Reed is 31 years old and the future is Joe Flacco and the offense not Ed Reed and the defense.

They wont&#039; move him, but maybe they should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not undervaluing any players as far as trade value would go, however, I should have clarified that in the N.F.L. teams trade players they have a willigness to trade or players that don&#8217;t fit the direction the team is heading.</p>
<p>Atogwe is not untouchable, but he&#8217;s not being shopped for sure.</p>
<p>True Hope and Griffing are gamblers, BUT They can make plays. C.C. Brown doesn&#8217;t making plays in the passing game.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have players who might take a gamble on a play and let a big play happen over a guy who just lets big plays happen.</p>
<p>Right now where in a spot where there are no turnovers back there and no coverage that&#8217;s the worse of both worlds.</p>
<p>I completely disagree about Baltimore, I think they are pretenders.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a huge Flacco fan, they don&#8217;t run exceptionally well (though Ray Rice is starting to look really good) their defense is not very good either, especially at cornerback and they can&#8217;t beat good teams.</p>
<p>Loses to Cinncy, New England and Minnesota<br />
Sure they beat the Chargers, but the wheels on that bus are coming off fast too.</p>
<p>Last year they lost almost all of their tough games as well.</p>
<p>As they failed to beat Indy, New England, Pittsburgh (any of three times), New York, Tennesse when they were good (since being 10-0 last year Tennesse is 3-10 including playoffs), they did beat the receeding Titans.</p>
<p>They did beat a very lucky Dolphins team, a Fading Dallas team that was already given up and the Eagles before they got hot.</p>
<p>So even if you count the Titas win, the Eagles win, the Dolphins wins and the Cowboys win and the Chargers win they are what 4-10 against good opponets the past two years?</p>
<p>Pretenders.</p>
<p>They are fooling themselves, but not me.</p>
<p>Ed Reed is 31 years old and the future is Joe Flacco and the offense not Ed Reed and the defense.</p>
<p>They wont&#8217; move him, but maybe they should.</p>
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		<title>By: Júlio César</title>
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		<dc:creator>Júlio César</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atogwe would be great, but i don&#039;t think spags would accept trading him...</description>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re severely undervaluing some of these players.  St. Louis franchised Atogwe, and he&#039;s not off the radar of any serious NFL fan.  Spags is running the show down there now, and you have to think he&#039;s planning on rebuilding that defense around a couple of key players, and a game-changing safety is enough to build a defense around (see Baltimore).

And speaking of Baltimore: why on earth would a team coming off a narrow loss in the conference championship let the centerpiece of their defense go?  You trade young standouts when you&#039;re in full-on rebuilding mode, which Baltimore is emphatically not.

Tennessee&#039;s safeties are both overrated.  Their Pro Bowl bids last year were because they&#039;re both gamblers, much like Finnegan.  Some years, that risk-taking mentality means you force a lot of turnovers; some years, it means you lose games by 59 points.  We don&#039;t need guys angling for highlight reels; we need coverage guys whose last names aren&#039;t Brown.

Huff is an intriguing prospect.  If we could get it done for a 3rd or 4th rounder, it would be a coup, it would shore up our secondary, and we&#039;d have phenomenal depth (or a fantastic 3-safety nickel package) next year when we get Phillips back.  I&#039;d say no competent GM in the league would let Huff go for that little, but we ARE talking about Al &quot;Trade Randy Moss For A Handful of Magic Beans&quot; Davis, so maybe we should put out some feelers.  My only problem with this trade is that we already have a safety with intriguing physical tools, who needs some serious coaching to do anything with them: Aaron Rouse was an absolute monster in college, but hasn&#039;t been able to translate 4.4 speed into coverage ability in the pros.  Maybe we let it ride with him for another week, bench Brown, and see how Rouse handles elite competition in the Cardinals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re severely undervaluing some of these players.  St. Louis franchised Atogwe, and he&#8217;s not off the radar of any serious NFL fan.  Spags is running the show down there now, and you have to think he&#8217;s planning on rebuilding that defense around a couple of key players, and a game-changing safety is enough to build a defense around (see Baltimore).</p>
<p>And speaking of Baltimore: why on earth would a team coming off a narrow loss in the conference championship let the centerpiece of their defense go?  You trade young standouts when you&#8217;re in full-on rebuilding mode, which Baltimore is emphatically not.</p>
<p>Tennessee&#8217;s safeties are both overrated.  Their Pro Bowl bids last year were because they&#8217;re both gamblers, much like Finnegan.  Some years, that risk-taking mentality means you force a lot of turnovers; some years, it means you lose games by 59 points.  We don&#8217;t need guys angling for highlight reels; we need coverage guys whose last names aren&#8217;t Brown.</p>
<p>Huff is an intriguing prospect.  If we could get it done for a 3rd or 4th rounder, it would be a coup, it would shore up our secondary, and we&#8217;d have phenomenal depth (or a fantastic 3-safety nickel package) next year when we get Phillips back.  I&#8217;d say no competent GM in the league would let Huff go for that little, but we ARE talking about Al &#8220;Trade Randy Moss For A Handful of Magic Beans&#8221; Davis, so maybe we should put out some feelers.  My only problem with this trade is that we already have a safety with intriguing physical tools, who needs some serious coaching to do anything with them: Aaron Rouse was an absolute monster in college, but hasn&#8217;t been able to translate 4.4 speed into coverage ability in the pros.  Maybe we let it ride with him for another week, bench Brown, and see how Rouse handles elite competition in the Cardinals.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ilnicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ilnicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or get Butler back from Saint Louis.... he was pretty darn good down the stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or get Butler back from Saint Louis&#8230;. he was pretty darn good down the stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Giants should indeed trade for a safety, however, you really don&#039;t have to give up that much in draft picks for most players.
For starters if a team isn&#039;t going anywhere and their safety is nearing the end of their contract, they&#039;ll probably part with him for a solid 4th round pick, since it&#039;s the Giants however and their pick will most likely be a late rounder, you&#039;d probably have to give up a 3rd, but you&#039;d get say a guy like Hope, Whitner, or Huff, plus maybe a 6th in return.
Of all the players, I agree with you in that Hope would make the most sense, I&#039;d love to see this get done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Giants should indeed trade for a safety, however, you really don&#8217;t have to give up that much in draft picks for most players.<br />
For starters if a team isn&#8217;t going anywhere and their safety is nearing the end of their contract, they&#8217;ll probably part with him for a solid 4th round pick, since it&#8217;s the Giants however and their pick will most likely be a late rounder, you&#8217;d probably have to give up a 3rd, but you&#8217;d get say a guy like Hope, Whitner, or Huff, plus maybe a 6th in return.<br />
Of all the players, I agree with you in that Hope would make the most sense, I&#8217;d love to see this get done.</p>
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