Breakout Player Profiles: Ramses Barden

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50 Touchdowns. 20.4 yards per receptions. 206 catches, 4023 yards receiving.

These were the career numbers for 6’6” Ramses Barden at Cal Poly.

If you think that’s impressive wait until you see his final two seasons in college. 124 catches 2724 yards receiving and 36 touchdowns.

Touchdowns in 20 straight games. And 21 out of 22 of his games  in his junior and senior seasons.

And here are Ramses Barden Stats in his rookie season in the N.F.L. 1 reception 16 yards 3 games played.

Certainley less than we Giants fans expected.

Before we can look at Ramses Barden’s future, we have to take a look back at his past.

Let’s see what the draftniks were saying about Barden before he was selected in the third round of the 2009 N.F.L. Draft.

You can see what he was here:

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ESPN Scouts INC. 1, exceptional 3 marginal, 5 yikes! (yikes is my own paraphrased rating)

Character Scouts rave about his on- and off-field work ethic and his personality.
GRADE: 1

Seperation skills 4 Size is built in separation. He wins a lot of jump balls and he uses his massive frame/wingspan to shield defenders from the ball. However, he takes too long getting in and out of breaks. Far too many of his catches are contested. Likely to struggle versus press-technique in the NFL.
Ball skills 2 Possesses big hands (10.5″) and long arms (33.6″). Shows ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls. Plucks away from his frame and rarely allows the ball to get into his pads. Can catch the ball thrown over his head very well. Only negative in this department is occasional lapse in focus.
Vertical speed 3 He lacks initial burst and it takes him too long to reach top gear. However, he does build speed as he goes and he can get over the top of man-coverage if given some time. Big time weapon in jump-ball situations and excels in the red zone.
Run after catch 4 More of a vertical threat than run-after-the-catch weapon. Plucks the ball on the run smoothly, which allows him to get up field seamlessly. Can ruin defenders’ pursuit angles with his long strides, if he catches a crease. Also can be tough for DB’s to bring down right away. But he’s not elusive enough to make many defenders miss and he lacks initial burst up the field.
Cometitiveness and toughness 2 Will catch the ball in traffic and is competitive in that regard. Not afraid to go over the middle. Uses frame to his advantage, but is not as physical as he could be. Adequate stalk blocker. Could work harder to sustain, but he does a better-than-adequate job of getting into position and using his massive frame to shield defender

All things considered, Barden turned in a decent performance this week. He is clearly in peak physical condition and there were no surprises at Monday’s weigh-in. Barden displayed strong all-around hands and proved to be willing to work the middle of the field. On the flipside, it’s obvious that Barden still needs work on his route running skills, particularly getting in and out of breaks quicker. His lack of initial burst off the line of scrimmage became evident versus better competition this week, as well. Overall, Barden proved he’s capable of contributing at the next level, but he did not standout as the premier receiver at this year’s Senior Bowl.

 

 

A less favorable view of Barden from FFtoolbox.com

 big receiver who knows how to use his body, Barden is more quick than fast (4.55). But, Barden has a knack for getting open behind defenders, being able to gain yards after the catch. He is a physical wide out who is not afraid to block. However, he is not a fluid athlete, his route running needs much work

Barden is somewhat viewed as a sleeper. He does have some good traits, but he is far from a finished product. He needs better conditioning and his route running needs tons of work. Barden will also drop some balls, which is always a concern. Some Draft boards have Barden going on the first day, but I think he is a reach even in the fifth round

And cbsdraftscout.com

GENERAL REPORT: GRADE: 7.18

Body Structure: Barden has a cut lower body and very long limbs and massive hands. He has good muscle development, long, muscular arms, lean waist with a good bubble, tapered thighs and calves and a frame that can carry additional bulk to possibly move to tight end or H-Back at the next level, as despite his rare size, he does look lean standing 230 at 6:06.

Athletic Ability: Barden has outstanding athletic ability, starring not only in football, but also in track in college and in track, basketball and volleyball in high school. With his big frame, he does struggle to stay down in his pads and can be taken down by a physical defensive back due to his erect stance. He lacks speed to separate deep, but does eat up the cushion with his stride and deceptive quickness. He has a good kick to him getting into his patterns and is improving his stop-and-go action, but is still a work in progress there. He plays with adequate quickness for a receiver (much better for a tight end), but adds more to his game with his superb agility, flexibility, balance and ball-adjustment skills. He cannot be considered a burner, but is very physical and strong as a runner. GRADE: 7.0

Football Sense: Barden is a good learner who only needs normal reps and understands the game well. He has received academic honors and, while he has not played in a complicated offense, will have no problems digesting a playbook. He does a good job of adjusting to what the defense gives him on the run and knows how to time his leaps to high point a lot of his catches. He has the ability to make quick adjustments vs. the defense and consistently works back to the ball. GRADE: 6.9

Character: Barden comes from a supportive family and is a good program kid who is a team guy first. He is well-liked and respected, with no off-field issues. Even though he is the featured receiver in the small college ranks, he is rather humble with good stability. His father was a standout basketball player during NYU’s powerhouse days in the 1960s. Ramses is also involved in several community and charity projects. GRADE: 7.4

Competitiveness: Barden has above-average aggression and toughness for the position. He is not the type of receiver who will just go through the motions when not involved in the action. In 2008 alone, he posted 59 knockdown blocks and loves to get physical as a blocker. He will not hesitate to fight for the ball in traffic and shows the strength needed to break tackles after the catch. One of his best traits is his ability to somehow come up with the ball with a slew of defenders draped over him in a crowd. GRADE: 7.2

Work Habits: Barden is the consummate team player, always deflecting attention to others. He works in every aspect of his game to become a complete player, knowing that he will never be a gazelle of a runner, so he tries to add other “tricks to the trade” to bring more to the table than just being a pass catcher. He is a very good worker in all areas of his game, exhibiting great practice habits. He is a very coachable team player who has steadily improved throughout his career. Dependability is one of his main traits. GRADE: 7.4

ATHLETIC REPORT: GRADE: 6.33

Release: Barden has the functional strength to release and get into his routes, but lacks great straight-line speed. He uses his hands with force to get a strong push off the line of scrimmage. With his long arms and large hands, he has no problems avoiding the hold-up. With his big frame, he is not easily rerouted, but has to protect his legs better from low tackles. He knows how to use his body to gain advantage, but for a player his size, you would think that he would create better mismatches. GRADE: 6.5

Acceleration: Barden’s hand quickness and ability to quickly uncover and extend for the ball make him virtually unstoppable vs. the smaller defenders in the short area. He is best served using his body to his advantage to box out the defender, as he does not have the foot speed to get behind his man on deep routes. While he has adequate deep speed, it is his body-adjustment skills and knack for tracking the high throws that allow him to excel on winning battles for the pass in a crowd. He is a long strider who gains ground more on power, as he lacks any sort of burst to separate in space. GRADE: 5.7

Quickness: Barden has just adequate speed, but compensates with his strength and length coming off the line and ability to gain advantage on the defender with his powerful stride. He has good quickness for a long body type, showing good hips, but he needs to become more elusive when trying to avoid (uses strength over speed). Still, he doesn’t throttle down when not involved in the play, as he looks for other ways to help (as a blocker). GRADE: 5.9

Route Running: Due to his long upper body, he is not as sharp with cuts, and glides out of breaks more than he should. He needs work on defining his cuts better and tends to round his routes more than he should. He has deceptive speed and acceleration, but except for a few meetings vs. Wisconsin and San Diego State, he was challenged by inferior competition. He might be better served as an H-back or playing the tight end position. He is more of a power runner whose ability to drive through arm tackles is one of his better assets, but he runs too tall, leaving him open for low tackles. He shows adequate ability to separate on short routes, but needs a little polishing on out patterns. GRADE: 5.5

Separation Ability: Barden’s only hope of separating is if he surprises a lethargic defender. He needs to be more explosive accelerating in and out of his break (rounds routes), and while he has the deceptive speed to run past cornerbacks at this level, he is not going to be able to have the same success in the pros. He is a big framed type that can move, but it is preferable seeing him on controlled routes than attempting to stretch the field. Still, his ability to push off a defender and uncover gives him an advantage, thanks to his size and strength. GRADE: 5.7

Ball Concentration: Barden is very confident that he can get to the throws in a crowd, but despite his size and leaping ability, there are way too many passes being deflected out of his hands. After all, how many 6:06 receivers have small defenders bat away 18 of 111 passes thrown to him? He does show good ball skills, turning short patterns and screens into big gains vs. soft coverage. He sees and feels out the defender and uses his body-adjustment skills to get to more off-target throws than expected. He also has a good knack to find the chains and work back to the ball. GRADE: 6.4

Ball Adjustment: Barden is not a stiff athlete, doing a good job of contorting his frame to make the tough catch in a crowd. When he extends for the ball, he does so with good body control and balance to pull it in, turn and run up field. He also is very smart, knowing when he needs to come back when the pocket is pressured. For a player his size, he needs to be more alert to leg tackles and he could be more assertive trying to run through tackles rather than trying to avoid. Since moving to the Z-receiver slot, he looked more natural trying to adjust to the ball and provided the QB with a big target who can go up and compete for the pass, but just needs to maintain consistency. His flexibility and ability to turn to off-target passes is because of his moves and above-average agility. GRADE: 6.6

Leaping Ability: When you are 6:06, you should get to every high pass, but he left several catchable balls behind because of inconsistent timing. He is explosive when trying to jump for the ball and he has very good arm extension, but one would figure with his track and basketball skills that he would hone his timing skills. He is a heavy load to defend, but even tougher to match up, when he uses proper timing to get to the ball at its high point. GRADE: 6.0

Hands: Barden has some of the biggest hands you will find on a receiver in this year’s draft crop (10 5/8-inch measurement), which allows him to secure the ball well. He uses his body to shield the ball from the defender and while concentration lapses lead to a few drops, he is more of a natural hands catcher than one who uses his body to absorb the ball in. He is a big hands catcher, with his palms looking like mitts. He has very soft hands and, while the level of competition he faced was not top level, he rarely drops the ball. He is a natural receiver who can make the grabs away from the body’s frame and also uses his hands with good force when blocking in-line. GRADE: 7.4

Run After the Catch: Barden gets good yardage with his foot work and balance, taking screens and slants without having to throttle down. He runs with good body lean, but when he gets too erect, he leaves his legs open for low tackles. He showed better cutting ability as a senior and if given soft coverage, he can turn and head upfield for big yardage. With his big frame, he will carry more than a few defenders for a couple of more yards and for a big player, he has decent hip wiggle, making him a strong runner carrying the rock. When he runs at a proper pad level, he compensates for adequate speed with his balance and strength running through defenders. GRADE: 7.1

Blocking Ability: Barden seems to enjoy this role, another reason he might be better suited bulking up to play tight end or H-Back. He works down the line with good urgency and is aggressive using his hands to sustain a lineman at the point of attack. He also shows good angle concept to cut block in the second level. He can dominate vs. secondary players and works hard to finish. He has the short-area quickness to mirror the defender and does a nice job of searching out the linebackers at the second level. He is very effective at shading and controlling the defender, taking a very physical attitude blocking for the ground game. GRADE: 6.8

Compares To: SHANNON SHARPE, ex-Denver — Every time you see Barden with the ball in his hands, it reminds of a tall, skinny kid out of Savannah State. While scouts are concerned about the lack of competition he faced, you can’t coach size and Barden has that in abundance. He is a willing blocker, a good trait to have if a team moves him to H-Back or tight end. He’s not seen as a Brandon Marshall-type of big receiver because of adequate speed and he’s better on slants, screens and controlled routes rather than threatening the deep secondary.

Ramses Barden is huge, but not very fast. He was super productive (he broke Jerry Rices record for most games consecutive with a TD reception). He is also a very willing run blocker.

Barden has great potential, and could be (you’d hope) an asset in the red-zone this year, but there are some things that Barden has to improve. Barden has to learn to play special teams because Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks are the top two WR on the team.

Mario Manningham is probably #3.

Domenik Hixon is valuable in the return game and Derek Hagan has done well on special teams in his career, which means that if the Giants don’t find a good replacement for Hixon, who is a solid return man, in the return game than Barden has to beat out Manningham for the third WR spot, or Hagan for the 5th WR spot (and Sinorice Moss).

Which means Barden is facing an up hill battle.

The other thing (which I already basically discusses) is that Barden needs to beat the competition already ahead of him to get some playing time which is difficult.

This much is for sure though, Matt Mosley and others were raving about how well Barden was playing in the off-season last year. He also has huge upside and could very well make a huge impact this year…especailly (let’s hope not) there is an injury to a member on the team.

The thing is Barden was always kind of seen as a project so he might still be a little bit away from being a major contributor.

But based on how poorly the Giants have been in the red-zone the past few seasons I’d consider it a huge success if Barden caught 8 passes for 6 touchdowns this season.

The G-men have the horses to move up and down the field at times, but they need a player to punch it in the end zone when they get there. Barden might be that guy and if he can’t even do that in his second year I think fans will start to worry about what he will become.

What do you guys think of the imposing Ramses Barden.

Ramses Barden breakout candidate #6 for the 2010 NY Giants.

Previous Profiles:

Aaron Ross

Clint Sintim

LB Jonathan Goff

WR Hakeem Nicks

RB Andre Brown


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12 Responses to “Breakout Player Profiles: Ramses Barden”

  1. Steve B. says:

    Man 50 TDs is really impressive, he did that in 4 years, it took Amani Toomer 10+ years to hit 50.

    The thing is where does he fit, WR 1-3 are taken by Smith, Nicks, and Manningham. So his chance at seeing significant playing time is at the #4 position, and the Giants do occasionally run a 4 WR set. The other area is of course the Red Zone, where he can really excel.

    The Thing is he has got to play ST, thats why Hixon and Hagan dress every week, is because of their contributions to ST. If he can beat out Hagen for that number 5 spot, I think we will see some Red Zone packages with Barden (and Boss, nice height their). If he wants significant playing time, he will have to beat out Hixon, which I am not sure that will happen.

    I think Barden will eventually contribute to the offense, but I am not sure when. He is as raw as it comes, especially when your dealing with a WR. Theirs a number of things they have to learn, the routes, getting seperation, beating press coverage, and then developing chemistry with the QB.

    I think JPP has a better chance to contribute even though he is raw, just because of the position difference.

    • andrew says:

      look — kevin boss and ramses barden need to be getting every friggin opportunity they can inside the 20 yard line. i dont care if barden kicks off on special teams, use him when it counts in the red zone. two young and imposing guys with great hands that are 6-6 and the giants barely use them to score.

      its UNBELIEVABLE!!

      • Jesse Cassel says:

        All I have to say is AGREED, then don’t utilize boss at all, let alone in the redzone!!

      • andrew says:

        with just boss — it took them forever to start using him in the “green” zone…. no matter how many times they used him in 2008 down the stretch and afterwords he became the leading scorer. its absurd.

        did they forget all the progress they made? my god, it just blows my mind!!

  2. Jason C. says:

    I just haven’t seen anything good from this kid, from his unwillingness to step up in special teams to his issues with catching up with the NFL level speed, he just doesn’t look like an NFL player, I know a lot of you guys are high on him, but I have to say this is going to be a bust before it even happens. I also am not sold on Boss being our go to TE and a lot of you really like him too, so who knows.

  3. i think it is much too early to know what ramses barden has in his heart coming into the draft work ethic was sjuppose to be a strength he is def raw. maybe he can play special teams. he needs too, point is way too early for bust talk. im with you on boss though to me solid all around player but will never be special in the passing game, but maybe becum can be

  4. nycsportzfan says:

    If barden has learned in his 1yr of NFL EXP, then it’ll show on the field, and regardless, of how many guys we have at the WR positon that are good, youll still see some Barden.. We will find ways to mix and match REciver sets, and get guys out there.. Last yr, was simply a learning yr for Barden, and no one should look any deeper into it then that… I happen to believe, in time, hes gonna be stellar,…Its just a matter of being patient, and not expecting the world of him so early..

  5. Jeremy says:

    How about this for some Greenzone possessions- 4 wide with ramses and Nicks on the outside, Smith and Manningham in the slot, and Boss as the TE.

    And Eli in the Shotgun cause I hate when there’s no running back and the QB is still under center.

    If they only rush 3 our O-Line will eat them up and if they rush 4 or 5 our recievers will eat up their DB’s

  6. DVision says:

    How could you even judge this kid after 1 year in the NFL? Issues with catching up to NFL speed. I haven’t heard that. I have heard that he has difficulty getting off the line with press coverage. Which is something a lot of 1st year receivers struggle with. Especially a big body like that.

    His inability (not unwillingness) to perform on specials is what kept him off the field last season. Hopefully he’ll improve in that area.

    Jesse are you gonna do a profile on Travis Beckham? I think if we can work him into the offense he’ll be an additional threat in the passing game. He showed good hands and concentration with the few tough catches he made last season.

  7. Bruce says:

    Man 50 TDs is really impressive, he did that in 4 years, it took Amani Toomer 10+ years to hit 50.

    The thing is where does he fit, WR 1-3 are taken by Smith, Nicks, and Manningham. So his chance at seeing significant playing time is at the #4 position, and the Giants do occasionally run a 4 WR set. The other area is of course the Red Zone, where he can really excel.

    The Thing is he has got to play ST, thats why Hixon and Hagan dress every week, is because of their contributions to ST. If he can beat out Hagen for that number 5 spot, I think we will see some Red Zone packages with Barden (and Boss, nice height their). If he wants significant playing time, he will have to beat out Hixon, which I am not sure that will happen.

    I think Barden will eventually contribute to the offense, but I am not sure when. He is as raw as it comes, especially when your dealing with a WR. Theirs a number of things they have to learn, the routes, getting seperation, beating press coverage, and then developing chemistry with the QB.

    I think JPP has a better chance to contribute even though he is raw, just because of the position difference.

    • andrew says:

      he doesn’t HAVE to play ST when he dresses…. but it’s the preconceived notion that the #4 and 5 slots “have to”. he dressed in a couple games last year and they made due without him playing special teams. it can be done…. let’s not make this out to be harder than it really is. hell in the minnesota game they had travis beckum in on ST…..

      if it means getting 6 more touchdowns a year in the redzone to have a 6’6″ wideout running a fade, you find a way to make it happen damnit.

      i dont care who subscribes to coughlins reasoning, i dont care who “knows” what the front office expects from a 4th or 5th reciever. when you lead the league in redzone appearances and are towards the bottom in converting touchdowns, seems to me special teams management is a much less important facet of winning football games.

      that just me and my common sense talking though….

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