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Roster Breakdown and Training Camp Battles QB

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We’ve done a lot of discussion in on the off-season about potential FA signings, trade possibilities, draft picks and profiles, and great memories of the season past, but now its getting towards the season and barring any trades (for a Return Specialist) the Giants have their 80 man rosters for training camp basically set.

Lets now get into looking at the players currently listed on the Giants roster position by position and breakdown who we think will be there in the end (when it’s cut down to 53 for the roster and 8 for the practice squad).

The first position up is the most important position, but also the easiest position to analyze, the only question with the NY Giants is how many QB are they going to carry and even that answer seems to be self-evident. The Giants have pretty much carried only two QB on the roster since Eli Manning became the starter and if a foot injury so bad that Eli can barely work and a seperated shoulder won’t keep him from missing game it’s safe to assume that there were only be two QB ont he acitve roster and one the practice squad.

Above the Battle

Eli Manning

The 100 million dollar man. The superbowl M.V.P. the QB with the 50-37 career record and the QB who has not led his team to a losing record since 2004 when he started 7 games and went 1-6. (Making his record from 2005 through last year a very impresisve 49 and 31) .

Now, Eli Manning has his faults. He could be more accurate he could certainley have more speed, he could be more demonstrative and flashy on the field (that’s not a criticsm I find very good), but whatever the criticsms are he just wins games.

Eli Manning is a franchise QB who is going to be there producing numbers as he’s progressed pretty much every year in his league.

Chances that Eli Manning have a roster spot to start the season

100%. Of course if Eli Manning is in some crazy accident where he loses his right arm he won’t be on the roster, but otherwise he’s the man.

Training Camp Battles

There are three other QB currently vying for a roster or practice squad spot for the 2010 N.F.L. season they are Rhett Bomar, Jim Sorgi, and Riley Skinner. There is probably one player fighting for an active roster spot and one other player who will make the practice squad. Let’s Get it on!

The Leader of the Pack

Jim Sorgi

Jim Sorgi is a former sixth round draft pick out of Wisconsin who has played in only 16 games in six years (more than I thought he had played in). Sorgi though hasn’t played much lately. He played in 9 games his first two seasons and only seven in the last four years.

In all of his time on the field Jim Sorgi an 89.9 QB rating with 6 touchdowns and 1 INT (Five of his TD came in his first two seasons). He’s passed for 929 yards for an average of 6 yards per pass attempt.

Jim Sorgi doesn’t have a great arm, but has been a solid, unspectacular backup.

The other good thing about Sorgi is that he’s USED to being a backup. He’s played behind Peyton Manning for his entire career and hasn’t made a stink about it in fact he seeked out a position where he could come in and be a reliable backup who will probably never see the field.

My Verdict.

I’m not a big Jim Sorgi fan. I don’t think he adds much to the team in all honesty. If Eli Manning gets hurt can Jim Sorgi come in and win games for the NY Giants? I don’t believe so. Maybe he can be a caretaker for a half or a game or something, but I don’t think he has the desired ability of a QB I want on my team. I’ve just never been impressed with him while he’s been on the field for the Colts, but I haven’t seen that much.

The things you think he must have strengths in I have no access to his abilities in those areas. I can’t tell if he helps out the starter by dissecting plays or if he’s great with playbooks, or if he is a leader who can build chemistry. I only see what I see on the field, which is not much.

However, my gut feeling is that Tom Coughlin will prefer a veteran backup presence than he would a talented backup QB while I prefer to have a guy who can come in and WIN games for you, not come in and not lose them as a backup QB.

Rhett Bomar vs Riley Skinner Practice Squad fodder

I don’t think the Giants will carry three QB on their active roster which means that Eli Manning will start and that Jim Sorgi will probably be on the active roster (he can’t be on the practice squad because of his years of accrued service) and that Rhett Bomar and Riley Skinner are battling for the practice squad.

Rhett Bomar is a talented popcket passer who was at one point in highschool one of the most recurited QB in all of the nation. Bomar dealt with some personal “character issues” and transfered from Oklakhoma to Sam Houston State. Bomar has a HUGE arm, perhaps one of the biggest arms in the 2009 N.F.L. Draft. Maybe only behind the arm of Matt Stafford.

Last year Bomar was impressive at times in Training Camp and in the pre-season. Bomar has a big arm, but does hae some accuracy problems at time, he also has to adjust to the speed of the N.F.L. Bomar was drafted in the fifth round as a “Best Player Available” pick by Jerry Reese. On purely talent Bomar could have been a second or third round pick.

Riley Skinner

Originally the Giants had a guy named Dominic Randolph out of Holy Cross but replaced him with Riley Skinner out of Wake Forest.

Skinner had a productive career at Wake Forest becoming the all time passing leader at Wake Forest and throwing for 26 touchdowns this season.

Here’s his scouting report from ESPN Scouts INC (3 is average 4 is below average)

Mental Markup 3 Picks apart zone looks when gets time. Reads safeties as drops and rarely locks onto primary target. Not afraid to get in the way of defenders on reverses. Makes sound reads after the snap but could make better pre-snap reads and adjustments.
Accuracy 3 Above-average touch and can drop the ball in over linebackers’ heads. Can hit receiver in-stride with his feet set in the pocket or rolling out. However, can get happy feet in the pocket because height hinders ability to scan the field and forces him to create windows for himself. Poor footwork obviously affects his ability to hit the strike zone consistently. Also can be streaky.
Release 4 Keeps the ball up and can get rid of it quickly. Lined up in shotgun formation frequently but showed crisp footwork on drops from under center. Can adjust release point and throw sidearm to squeeze the ball through windows but natural release point is low and isn’t tall enough to get away with it.
Arm Strength 3 Lacks elite arm strength but can make all the necessary throws if his timing is correct. Can’t fit the ball into some tight spots and ball tends to sail when he throws off back foot. But he can get good velocity on short-to-intermediate passes when he steps into throws and follows through.
Mobility 3 Above-average pocket mobility and can keep eyes downfield when forced to move around. Can get outside tackle box quickly and throws well on the run. Quick enough to pick up some yards with feet when gets space but not much of a big-play threat. Not elusive and lacks breakaway speed.


Rhett Bomar has a year under Kevin Gilbrides system under his belt, a bigger arm, better size, Skinner has more accuracy on short to intermediate throws, might be better at dissecting plays, and may have better intangibles.

The headsup would seem to go the 5th round draft pick over the second choice undrafted free agent from Wake Forest.

Final Verdict

QB is the most important position in the N.F.L. and for many teams could be an exciting story like it is for the Panthers (Matt Moore vs Jimmy Clausen) or the Buffalo Bills (Trent Edward vs Brian Brohm) or even the Steelers (Dixon vs Batch vs Leftwhich for the first 4-6 games). But in NY it is not interesting at all.

It seems pretty obvious what is going to happen at the QB spot. Eli Manning has the #1 QB position, Jim Sorgi is the likely backup and only one who is on the active roster. Riley Skinner gets a pat on the back and a thank you for showing up for training camp and Rhett Bomar wins the practice Squad spot. The last season he can be on the practice squad.

The only debate in my mind is do the Giants carry two or three QB on the active roster spot? Does Bomar show enough in pre-season that the Giants are afraid that he will get poached from the practice squad if he is on there?

I don’t think that will happen. It seems unlikely that a team will take a young QB project off the Giants practice squad after pre-season is over because most of the teams that need young QB already have their guys on their roster and Bomar won’t have a chance to learn the playbook. Also, anyteam taking a player from another’s practice squad has to put that player on the active roster.

So it looks pretty set.

But it should be interesting as we get into further position battles.

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3 Responses to “Roster Breakdown and Training Camp Battles QB”

  1. Jason C. says:

    Sorgi’s career numbers are 100-157 929yards 6TD-1INT, granted it was in limited playing time, but those are just fine numbers for a quarterback that hopefully doesn’t even have to see the field, they’re certainly better numbers than David Carr had coming in to the Giants, and everyone was fine with him because of his star status. Sorgi is the PERFECT backup.

  2. Shai says:

    I agree, Jason, I thought Sorgi was a solid pickup. If he’s good enough for Peyton, he’s good enough for me.
    Although I did like Carr, kudos to him trying to win a starting spot in SF. Just teach Sorgi to hold.

    I liked what I saw from Bomar in the open practice 0 he throws a dart. I think they’ll keep him on the active roster, and possibly see if he could be the #2 qb maybe in 2011.

    Jesse – anything giants related is good this time of year, so keep em coming. I’m interested to see your RB analysis.

  3. nycsportzfan says:

    Sorgi don’t get me stoked, but he don’t get me dissapointed in our backup either.. Hes just a “blah” guy, at a positon, where Blah may be better then the alternetive, which is “stinks”.. A guy who can hand off and give u a 10-18 109yds, and if he gets some help from the “D”, win a Game, by doing just enough….. I’d half to give Sorgi the backup job, unless Bomar, lights it up in Training camp and Pre-Season.. Bomar has Potential, certaionly more then Sorgi, but he also has more of “STINKS” potential as well.. Gotta go with the Safer bet at this paticuler moment…

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