Up Next in my prospect profiles series is the best running back in this class and a Heisman Trophy winner. Mark Ingram also is a son of a former NY Giants player.
Let’s delve into Mark Ingram and see if he can help get the Giants run game back to the 2007 and 2008 level.
Whether or not the NY Giants should draft Mark Ingram depends on whether or not you are of the belief that running backs can be found in later rounds and thus are not worth a first round pick.
I am NOT of that belief, but first round running backs are worth value only in circumstances when you think a running back can be a top player in the league.
If you think a running back can be a top player or make an offense dynamic then, to me, they can be worth a first round pick. I also think it makes more sense for teams that are close to winning then for a team that is trying rebuild or has an offensive line in shambles (The Giants oline can use work, but it is not in shambles).
Sure, Running backs like Jacobs and Bradshaw can be found later in drafts (Arian Foster, Michael Turner, Peyton Hillis)
But also running backs like Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Maurice Jones Drew, Ray Rice, Ladanian Tomlinson, Steve Jackson can be found in the first round (though Rice and Jones Drew were not first round picks 2nd and 3rd respectively)
All these backs can handle full loads, make defenses account for them and handle both the rushing game and the passing game (Peterson’s not great in the passing game) and are worth first round picks.
So, no I’m not of the opinion that running backs are wastes of picks in the first round.
Also, please leave comments and lets get some discussion going. This is not a paid position for me and being that I am isolate from other Giants fans the thing I like most about writing is the potential interaction through comments so take a minute and let me know what you think.
5-10, 215 pounds, Junior
Projected 40 time:
4.41 I’ve seen this reported a lot.
Walterfootball.com projects a 4.44
a 4.41 40 time will probably push Ingram out of range for the Giants. Timed speed is overrated, but teams want to know if Ingram has enough speed to break away from the crowd and run away and I think for sure he does. Brandon Jacobs has had his fair share of long runs and has galloped away from defenders before (think that screen pass he took back against Dallas in 2009 for 70 plus yards) and Ingram is definitely faster than Jacobs.
Career: 572 attempts, 3,621 yards, 42 touchdowns. 3 fumbles (ie: rarely)
2010: (11 games)
158 carries, 875 yards, 13 touchdowns. 21 receptions 282 yards 1 touchdown
2010- @ Duke 9 carries 151 yards 2 touchdowns
@ Arkansas 24 carries 157 yards 2 touchdowns, 2 receptions 20 yards
@ LSU 21 carries 97 yards 1 touchdown
vs Auburn 10 carries 36 yards 4 catches for 91 yards
Capital One Bowl: Michigan State
12 carries 59 yards 2 touchdowns, 1 reception 30 yards
2009 Big Games:
He went for over a 100 yards in 9 of his 14 games (99 yards in another), Touchdowns in all but three games.
Florida: 28 carries 113 yards 3 touchdowns, 2 receptions 76 yards
vs South Carolina
24 carries 246 yards 1 TD, 2 receptions 23 yards
National championship game:
22 carries 116 yards 2 touchdowns, 2 receptions 11 yards
Final word about stats:
Mark Ingram has been very productive in Alabama, although he was much more productive in 2009 then he was in 2010 (hence the heisman trophy), but he got knicked up early in the year this year and still played well at times. After he had some time off for the bowl game he responded by having a huge bowl game vs Michigan State, a team that has at least one defensive player in the first two rounds.
Ingram was effective rushing the ball and also as a receiver out of the backfield.
The only video I’m providing is a highlight clip.
However, here is a link I found of a guy linking full SEC Games available to watch, so you can check out any of Ingrams performances (or any other SEC prospect) in full here.
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Positives: Has a great frame and solid bulk… Has enough athletic ability to be effective, can turn the corner… Very good ball security, rarely fumbles… Keeps the ball close to his body… Incredible balance, runs similar to Emmitt Smith… Runs with great pad level, very low and defenders rarely get a good shot on him... Compact runner, bounces off tackles… Game translates well to the NFL… Never stops moving his legs, gets an amazing amount of yards after contact… Had 1,075 yards after contact in 2009, over 50 percent of his total yardage… Very good at reading the hole and waiting for his blockers… Solid cut-back runner… Displays good hands out of the backfield, had 53 receptions over the past two years… Played against top level competition at Alabama… Plays up to challenges, averaged nearly 150 yards per game against seven defenses ranked in the nation’s top 30 for total defense in 2009, two of his three best games in 2010 were against Arkansas and LSU… Father is Mark Ingram, former New York Giant receiver… Extremely productive when healthy, generated 1,992 yards from scrimmage in 2009 and won the Heisman Trophy… Great character, father is in prison, touching story… Humble on and off the field… Won the Derrick Thomas Community Service Award following 2010 spring practice.
Negatives: Not an elite athlete, just has marginal top-end speed, is not the guy you will draft if you’re looking for a home run threat… Needs to work on pass-protection, has the frame to be a good blocker, but takes bad angles and misses a lot of his assignments… Suffered a small hip injury against Auburn in 2009, missed two games in 2010 with a knee injury… Numbers took a huge dive this year, went from 1,658 yards in 2009 to 875 in 2010… Will not contribute at all on special teams… Doesn’t have much for open field moves, absorbs a lot of hits… Has taken a beating over the past three years… Some feel he’s not even the best running back on his own team.
Walterfootball.com (matt Mcguire)
Nice bulk and size Big, strong lower body Keeps pumping feet on contact Breaks tackles Very good balance and body control Elite vision and awareness Runs with heart; maximizes yardage of play Highly intelligent; sets up blockers Patient and instinctive Excellent receiver with soft hands Doesn’t shy from contact; physical runner Very good agility and lateral movement Runs with a suddenness Outstanding footwork Nice acceleration Speed is good (not elite) Elusive with some wiggle in open field Good genetics Extremely productive Very balanced skill set and talented Elite ball security (1 fumble in 453 rushes/receptions) Proved in 2009 he can carry the load Hits hole with authority
Good speed, but doesn’t have elite, game-breaking speed Pass protection could use some polish Could add some more power/finesse moves to his arsenal Appears to have maxed out body frame without sacrificing speed Won’t be the home run threat in NFL that he is in college Summary: I love talented backs like Mark Ingram because they leave it all on the field. There really isn’t much else Ingram can do to improve his game outside of his pass protection.He needs to have another strong season as a junior to ensure his first-round status. He carries a first-round grade on my board to start 2010 and he will likely go between picks 11 and 25 in the 2011 NFL Draft. You need elite speed to go in the top 10 (Peterson, McFadden, Spiller), and that’s why Ingram will likely not be a very high first-round pick.Player Comparison: Maurice Jones-Drew. “Mojo” and Ingram are both talented backs who have skill sets with few weaknesses. They are versatile and can hurt you as a rusher or receiver
CBS Draft Scout (read rest at link)
Inside running: Possesses the deal frame for running between the tackles. Quickly presses the line of scrimmage and has the burst to get to and through the hole. Keeps his shoulders squared to the line and runs hard with a low center of gravity. His feet churn through contact and allow him to play bigger on short-yardage runs. Good awareness of the first-down marker. Has the leg drive and forward lean to finish runs falling forward. Instinctive runner with a good feel for when to bounce off blocks and set up cutback lanes. Can plant and drive to capitalize on a crease. Good vision and acceleration to get into the secondary. Does not possess elite stopwatch speed, but has enough to break free for long gains. Excellent ball security — two fumbles in his career.
Outside running: Possesses good but not great speed to get to the edge. Best attributes as an outside runner are his vision to identify opening holes and the burst and power he shows coming out of decisive cuts. Doesn’t waste time running laterally unless he sees he has the corner. Can make defenders miss in tight quarters with good lateral agility, but isn’t a dancer.
Breaking tackles: Surprisingly powerful runner with a low center of gravity. He keeps his legs churning through contact. Won’t wow with his ability to run over defenders, but is tough to bring down. Defenders have a hard time lining up a clean shot on him despite his broad frame and he shows good shiftiness when cornered. Capable of absorbing or delivering a big hit and maintaining his balance. Defenders have to wrap him up.
Blocking: Cognizant pass blocker. Is willing to take on the hard-charging defender and shows good effort and physicality to gain a stalemate. When trying to cut defenders he often gets too low, allowing defenders to easily leap over him.
Receiving: Reliable receiver out of the backfield with soft hands and good flexibility to extend and pluck the ball. Secures the ball quickly. Good vision for the screen game and he has the patience to set up blocks, rather than run past them.
Intangibles: Son of former New York Giants wide receiver Mark Ingram, who is serving time for fraud and money laundering. The first running back to win the Heisman and the national championship in the same season since Tony Dorsett (Pittsburgh, 1976). Won the Derrick Thomas Community Award following 2010 spring practice
Possible Landing Spots
There are three likely possible landing spots in my opinion before the Giants in the first round (and he’s going in the first round).
The Lions-the Lions need a guy who can consistently pound the rock to keep pressure off the offensive line to block for Stafford all the time in 3rd and long distances. Best is a nice talent, but he’s not an everydown back and the Lions like to go B.P.A.
The Dolphins-the almost consesnus pick for Ingram because Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown are both free agents.
The Patriots-they probably won’t because they seem to like their combination of BenJarvis Green Ellis and Danny Woodhead, but Ingram could do very well with the Pats and add a different dimension (where the team fears that on any given play he’s in he can run OR catch the ball as opposed to Woodhead for short passes and draws and Green-Ellis for the tough yardage).
Big Board Rankings
CBS Draft Scout 14
ESPN Scouts INC 23rd
TheFootballFanspot 12th overall
SidelineScouting.com 11th overall
NFLdraftbible 8th overall
Where the Mocks Have Him Falling:
drafttek.com 1st round 15th pick Dolphins
Mockingthedraft.com 1st round 15th pick Dolphins
Walterfootball.com 1st round pick 28 New England Patriots
Rob Rang and Chad Reuter CBS Draft Scout: 1st round 15th overeall Dolphins
I would give you more but the variety is already so overwhelmeing I don’t see much point in giving you more mocks to the Dolphins.
Bartolis Final Thought:
Let me stress this point first and foremost, he DOESN’T FUMBLE THE FOOTBALL. Three fumbles in his career with 632 career touches (there about, I did math in my head 95 percent sure it’s right though).
Whew what a welcome relief that would be for the NY Giants, if there was a running back on the team who could hold onto the ball.
The name you see most associated with Mark Ingram is Emmit Smith because he runs strong, holds on to the ball, has great field vision, has much better game speed then he does timed speed and is just tough and most importantly knows how to run the football because of his great field vision and ability to set up blockers.
Ingram can catch the ball out of the backfield, hold onto the football, break tackles, be elusive enough in the open field and fast enough down the field to play well in the N.F.L.
Plays up to challenges, averaged nearly 150 yards per game against seven defenses ranked in the nation’s top 30 for total defense in 2009, two of his three best games in 2010 were against Arkansas and LSU…Won the Derrick Thomas Community Service Award following 2010 spring practice. (sidelinescouting)
Mark Ingram is an all around back who should have a productive N.F.L. career. Of course has ties to the NY Giants with his father being a former WR here, but that doesn’t mean anything really and has absolutely not effect on what I think Ingram is as a player.
Ingram’s negatives are that he doesn’t have great speed and that at times he was outshone by his own teammate Trent Richardson, that his production was down this year (he had a Heisman year the year before so that should have been expected and missed a few games and was banged up early) and that he has taken a little bit of a beating since he got into college football, but other than that he’s good. He’s not an elite athlete, but I think most important for the NY Giants he fits THEIR system. He can block, catch, get the tough yardage when it gets cold and windy, and he holds onto the football.
Plus if he’s available 19th overall he’ll be one of the couple best players available, if not The best player available.
I love Mark Ingram for the NY Giants if he’s available 19th overall. I just don’t see how he won’t be a productive N.F.L. player.
A good 40 time will push Ingram out of the Giants range an average 40 time might let him be there when the Giants pick 19th overall and unless Akeem Ayers is there I think he’ll be heavily considered as the pick at 19 from the New York Giants perspective.
Player Comparision: I’m trying to find a better comparision than Maurice Jones Drew (can Ingram have that kind of return impact? I’m not sure Jones Drew is probably faster), but I don’t know if there is one. I think he is comparablet to San Francisco’s Frank Gore as well (except without the history of injuries) in terms of the type of player he can be.
I’d also like to mention that I’m starting the previously mentioned prospect profiles on other blogs and next up is Kyle Rudolph.
One of the other prospect I’m really intersted in doing is CB Jimmy Smith from Colorado because he’s 6’2 and there are people think he can run a 40 yard dash sub 4.0 (probably more like in the mid 4.4) but still at 6’2 and a fast 40 like that I think he’ll be high on the Giants radar.
all of the people on the previous poll
Corey Ligut (requested and McShays’ current Giants pick) Mason Foster, Brandon Harris, Martez Wilson, DeMarco Murray, Stephen Paea, Greg Jones, Tyron Smith (requested), C Alex Linnenkohl (a later round prospect), OLB Mark Herlizch (requested), RB Ryan Williams (requested and a personal favorite of mine) are all on the docket so please leave any other requests because I will get to them.
I’ll also try to update senior bowl week with prospects of interest.