The Receivers

Since things are slow and there’s not much to talk about concerning the NFL. So I thought I would review the Giants roster position by position. Some small movements have been made like the loss of Ballard. I think he won’t be able to play for at least a season or more and if he does play he’ll be back as a Giants. When the Pats realize they are wasting a roster spot they will cut him. This only reinforces how many people feel about Bill Belichick, that he’s vindictive and petty. Let’s hope that we have no more surprises or as fans, moral let downs like injuries to key players.

I’d like to start with an area I think will be most important this season, the receiver corps. Nicks will be back and he’ll have a great year as long as they let him heal. Too many times players rush to get back and they reinjure themselves. So Hakeem, be cool man, chill and let it heal, you’re not losing your job or getting traded. I studied as much film as I could get and do see some great possibilities. The loss of Manningham was no big deal, he was not ever going to reach his full potential. Watching Randle I will say right now not ever playing one down in the NFL he’s already a better receiver. For one he will know the playbook and run the correct routs in a more accomplished manner, right there is a huge improvement.

We know what Nicks and Cruz can do, as a duo they can dominate a secondary. Both receivers are sure handed, run great routs and get YAC. In the NFL now a team needs more than two receivers to counter a defense for a complete game, that’s the way the NFL has evolved. Since the Giants are not a tightendcentric offense, and they are no longer a power running team, the receiver position is even more important. What do we have after Nicks and Cruz, a lot of question marks that will be answered early in preseason. With Nicks out until the beginning of the regular season everybody will get their chance.

Randle is such a natural receiver, he looks like he was born to catch footballs. The only question is his ability to get separation, once he does there is no question that he is NFL ready. From what I understand he mostly knows the playbook already and is very coachable. I think a lot of teams will be wondering why their GM did not draft this player, they had enough chances, just because he does not have blazing speed? He has something called functional football speed. My only concern is the basket catches, it won’t work in the NFL nearly as much, I have seen him catch the ball in the air just as well so I don’t think that will be a problem. He has amazing hips, his body can do things most players cannot, he has to use that to his advantage, if he does he might end up being one of the top receivers in the NFL for many years. The idea of having Nicks, Cruz and Randle lined up will have defenses on their heels all game, this will open up so many other things on offense. I just hope Gilbride takes advantage of it, I am not a fan of his game plans and play calling.

After Randle we have a fan favorite in Domenik Hixon, we all know what he can do or did. When Plax went down Hixon took his place and played well, realistically though he is clearly not a starting receiver. Part of the problem was because the coaching staff expected him to take Plax’s place, running the same routs as he did. He could not be Plax, it was kind of stupid to expect him to be, he also dropped a few very important balls during games or just did not come up with the big plays he DID as a returnman. Hixon was a great returnman but an average receiver. If Hixon returns to form having him as your number 4 is a big plus, he has experience and knows the offense, he’s a qualified 4th receiver. Let’s hope he hasn’t lost his speed and agility. Honestly I can’t see him regaining it with two major knee surgeries. I know everybody is pulling for him to make the team and return to form, I am.

As for Ramses Barden His statement “I am the man” seems odd and when I saw it I just went blank. What does that statement mean? Does it mean Ramses has delusions of grandeur? Or does he really think he has arrived, finally after a few years of trying to figure it out while sitting on the bench. I liked him coming out of college, he had all you need to become a successful receiver in the NFL but that statement was just bizarre considering his body of work or lack thereof. I had to get a grasp of his play the few times he did and honestly I came away impressed. I went to YouTube, there is a very good video highlight of his catches and misses. Almost all his misses were just lack of timing between him and Eli, there is a reason for that which I will get to. Ramses made some very difficult catches, even taking the ball away from defenders. You can see the big time potential there. So riddle me this Coughlin, why doesn’t this guy get some playing time? Is it because of the lack of special teams play or am I missing something here? I think I solved the riddle.

Barden seemed to have taken some cues from Hixon on his stance which is good, Hixon is a technically sound player. Ramses tries a move I have seen Hixon and many receivers use to get off the LOS, he lacks the quickness to make it work. It takes him too long to get into his rout and does not get seperation. From watching film I have determined this to be the problem he has with Eli Manning. Getting into his rout late destroys the timing, Eli was hesitating before the throw waiting for Barden to hit his spot. That is the problem and it has to be corrected. Are the coaches telling him to dump that move and find something to get into his rout faster and he is not listening or is it the other way around and Barden is listening to ineffective coaching? I did notice DBs crowd Barden, he would use his double pump move and it doesn’t work, he did NOT get separation, he does not get separation and that is the problem. He needs to go to a single pump or false step and a swim motion with his arm to get into his rout quicker.

Contact is allowed within the first 5 yards and he needs to exploit this, at 6’6” he has the advantage yet he does not use it at all. Some taller/bigger WRs just don’t have that explosive start so they must use other techniques. Burress did not have a problem getting off the LOS. Plax had great technique and DBs could not crowd him even in press coverage, if they did he would blow by them with his long strides. Barden should mimic Plax more, they look so much alike on the field it’s uncanny (watch film side by side), yet he seems to be copying smaller quicker receiver’s technique and it doesn’t work well for him.

So far from what I have read he has had a very good off season, maybe he can put it all together and at least become a good possession and red zone receiver. He has been a frustrating disappointment to all. To make a statement like that is strange. If he has changed some things and learned to get separation the rest is not an issue and I can see him being one of the men, not the man.

When Reese drafted Jernigan I was like I guess this was the BPA(I felt then and now that it wasn’t), that was a poor draft for talent anyway. He hasn’t shown much of anything, I don’t think he has what it takes to make it in the NFL. When a player is that small he must play BIG, he has to be aggressive to make up for his lack of size, I don’t see this from Jernigan so far. He has speed, we all know that is not enough to equate to having a successful NFL career. I don’t have any expectations for him at all and feel this was a wasted pick. There is no film of him making any NFL receptions because he hasn’t made any so I have no way to judge his effectiveness as a receiver. This kid made some great plays in college as a receiver, returnman and even running back, he also ran the wildcat, you can see the potential but it has not transferred over to the NFL as of yet, will it ever? There were some good players selected after him like Mason Foster the starting MIKE of the Bucs and Roy Helu a RB for the Skins. There were a lot of other players who I thought would be better picks. I am hoping this kid proves me wrong and has an outstanding pre-season opening up a possible future for him as a Giants player.

Let’s look at some other players who are in camp and vying to unseat Barden and Jernigan. My favorite choice to get a spot on the team is Julian Talley, he hails from the same school as Cruz, UMASS. Talley is just as NFL ready as Cruz was and Randle is, his only deficiency is that he has a slow 40 time for a receiver. He ran a 4.57/40 and that is probably the only thing that kept him from getting drafted. If he were 6’3” or more and ran that time it would be different, he’s not, he’s 6 feet tall and 190 pounds. When you watch him you’ll see that he plays with an attitude, like a defensive back kind of swagger. I was very impressed with him and if given a chance he will make this team maybe like David Tyree did. Talley is a much better receiver than Tyree was, like him though he will have to make the team the same way, on specials. His slowish time could cause issues getting off the LOS, in the NFL for a receiver it starts with getting separation as Ramses Barden has found out, the other aspects to his play seem to be on a technically high level.

There are some other interesting receivers on the pre-season roster. Some are rookies and some have a year or more in the league. Brandon Collins, is a shifty, crafty receiver and returnman the Giants recently signed. He was kicked off the Texas Longhorns because plain and simple he’s a thug. So many inner city boys turn into respectable men and that’s one thing the Giants count on, by giving these young guys a chance to play in the NFL. As a senior he played at Southwest Louisiana and kept out of trouble, playing WR and returning punts. He’s technically sound although a little rough around the edges, he runs a 4.39-4.4/40 and can return punts. Collins has descent size at 5’11” and 180 pounds. He opened a lot of eyes with his athletic prowess during his pro day including an amazing 45 inch vertical, I’m sure his past was the reason nobody signed him. He certainly has an exceptional set of tools few players are gifted with. This kid has potential, he’s not afraid to go down the middle and jump for the ball and he can jump!!! Also on many of his catches he was just plain wide open, he was beating the entire secondary, shredding it. Looking at film of the team he might have been underutilized. So far he has made the coaches take notice.

Last but not least are Isaiah Stanback a 4 year veteran, Dan DePalma a rookie last year and David Douglas. Stanback has an interesting career, he was a quarterback in college and drafted by the Cowboys as a WR/KR in the 4th round, he showed promise although that always ended in injury. If he can keep healthy Stanback will be in the mix. I expect him to be on the practice squad with DePalma who is the Giants secret weapon. DePalma plays an important role, he mimics other receivers for the defense and he’s very good at it. Football fans don’t realize how important certain players they never see on the field can be to a team. DePalma mimicked Wes Welker for the defense, Cory Webster mentioned he was the toughest WR to cover in practice. Although he didn’t play he certainly was a part of the Super Bowl win against the Pats doing Welker and Edelman impersonations at practice. The Giants expect DePalma to develop into a quality NFL receiver.

At the end of the line is David Douglas a UDFA from Arizona, here is what Sports Illustrated writer Don Banks had to say about Douglas: (The Wildcats’ No. 2 receiver behind the more highly regarded Juron Criner, Douglas didn’t have gaudy stats as a senior (65 catches for 666 yards and four touchdowns), but he flashed real potential this spring, running in the 4.4s with a 39-inch vertical leap. He has excellent short-burst quickness and the ability to find the gaps in a defense, and at 6-1, 207 pounds he has the necessary size to project to the NFL. Douglas will be either a late-round pick or a priority collegiate free agent, and scouts have grown more impressed with his soft hands, tight route running and football instincts as the spring has worn on. The Lions and Bills are two of the teams thought to be interested in his market.) Yeah but the Giants got him Don, let’s hope he eventually gets a chance and does not have to go through the NFL from team to team to finally find one that can utilize him. I usually don’t quote other writers but Banks summed it up, this kid can play.

That’s a total of 11 receivers for the Giants(I had to use one of my toes), how many will be carried, how many will be inactive and how many on the practice squad? If Douglas performs well he will be snatched up if he’s put on the practice squad, I think teams are watching him. I don’t think it will be 11 total so some players will be going, I can see maximum 9 receivers being carried overall even considering the Nicks injury. Barden and Jernigan are safe because they were drafted and still on their rookie contracts, although I feel Barden just does not have the heart to play professional football and is a prima donna, Jernigan does not have the physical ability. To a fault the Giants give players time, they kept Moss on much longer than logic dictated. It would be a shame to give up on a player because of numbers and/or politics only to have them succeed somewhere else. How many Giants were castoffs from other teams or players nobody wanted? They found a home and a successful career with the Giants. I hope that is not the case, if Barden does not do something he has to be cut lose at the end of the season.

Potential should be given just so much time and I think time has run out for Ramses like it did for Moss. The question is if he does not perform and has those nagging injuries again do the Giants release him sooner than later? With all the receivers and return men on the roster now does Jernigan just end up a write off and released too. Time will tell and it will be interesting to watch the position so important to the Giants offense now. The Giants must put certain things aside and pick the best players without concern for their pedigree and draft status. I wonder if the NFL will be watching the Giants to see if they try to stash any receivers by putting them on IR like they did with Cruz. I think they got away with that one and Goodell won’t let it happen again.

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37 Responses to “The Receivers”

  1. Russo757 says:

    Another big problem is that if you watch film on Barden he jumps everytime he catches the ball, even when he doesnt need to. Seems like a very JV mistake and habit that should have been broken by now.

    • Big Daddy says:

      I’ll have to back and look at that. It could just be a timing issue and the fact that he does not get separation. By him jumping he’s using his body to block the DB from getting to the ball.

      If he did what he was supposed to do in the first place these adjustments would not have to be done on every play.

      Maybe he got it all together, that would be nice. He has so much talent and could be huge with all the other talented receivers. The aerial attack would be amazing.

  2. gorilla4realla says:

    The lack of activity seems to inspire these boring re-hash of the same old stories. i feel like i have read this article 20 times this month alone. we get it the giants lost manningham, they drafted the new kid, yes someone needs to step up at #3 and at TE, but damn lets not talk and debate it to death. You know what i would love to read, some insights into players, future salary cap stories ( just how do the giants intend to pay nicks, cruz, linval joseph, beatty, pierre paul and kenny phillips)
    maybe some insights as to how gm reese and co. structure the salary cap. your reporters do some reporting.
    mayb some pieces on old giants and where are they now. it recently occurred an old favorite of mine ike hilliard is a wr coach for the redskins.
    do some stat breakdowns?
    or just do general questions from the fans….but anything besides these same old stories. we don’t want to hear about the issue with the line, or the problems at rb or lack of options at TE or too many good linebackers now vs none last year…uggghh

    • Big Daddy says:

      Please point out another place that talks about the other receivers in detail like I have and some of the specific issues with Barden.

      I have not read anything online like this in-depth blog. If you have by all means please, please point it out because I missed it.

      Exactly where have you read about Collins, Douglas and Talley all together?

      There is not enough room to do what you mention, that would take a book. This is a blog.

      These receivers do not have much stats to break down, that is the point of the blog, I guess you missed that one.

      • Mike T says:

        Brandon Collins played at Southeastern Louisiana, not Southwest Louisiana, which is now Louisiana-Lafayette.

        Secondly, I would strongly disagree with your characterization of him as a “thug.” If you only go by what you read, I can understand why you would think that, but if you know the kid, you would know otherwise.

        While at Texas, he was definitely guilty of hanging with the wrong crowd and did some immature, childish things, but the arrest incident was way overblown and the charges eventually dropped. While at Southeastern Louisiana, he conducted himself well, both in the locker room and in the community, and was a good player on the field.

        Also, he caught 61 balls last fall and returned 21 punts, and I would say he was hardly underutilized … he was open a lot, partly because he’s good, and partly because he had two other teammates who also caught 60+ balls.

        • Big Daddy says:

          Faulty info from sources on internet about Collins, it happens all the time. It was hard to get some of this stuff on him, I should have double checked. Although now that he’s a Giants player there seems to be a lot more info on Google about him. Believe me It wasn’t there when I started doing this article a 3-4 weeks ago, I hope nobody though I just did it in a few days. I was surprised to see all the info now.

          But that’s why I said thug to men, I might have been considered a thug as a teenager too by some, I was a good kid hanging with bad people. That’s why I specifically mentioned he kept out of trouble and was clear of it now. if he did what it said he did, he was a thug, but now that is in question.

          I didn’t know he caught that many balls. My original blog was LONGER and had more info about him and the fact he did have some pretty good players on offense with him. There where a couple of other receivers and a RB that stood out on film. I wonder how Reese is going to hide this kid from other teams. There was a stat sheet right there on google, I just checked, it was not there 3-4 weeks ago…LOL.

          I like the fact that people that comment add info about the players that I might have wrong or missed. As it was I thought this was too long and I had to edit it. I whittled it down a lot from it’s original size. So much more info about these players I had to leave out. There was more info about Stanback too who has a huge upside if he stays healthy, he’s a big, fast player.

      • Vincent Iamunno says:

        Perfect answer. Keep up the good work.

    • Big Daddy says:

      Plus we are NOT reporters we are bloggers. The difference is bloggers write opinions based on fact(Or they are supposed to), reporters make things up.

      If you want reporting go to Sports Illusrated and read that drivel.

      Not even the NFL knows for sure what the cap will be and Jerry Reese himself does not know what he is going to do right now. How the hell would any of us? The exact details of contracts are not usually made public, especially with the Giants. Some times they will release some info but after the contract was signed. How are we supposed to know what the GM and player don’t even know yet?

      Oh OK make it up right…..

      Does anybody care what old Giants players are doing now? Oh LT is into knitting and Harry Carson is writing his own soap opera for lifetime channel, how exciting…LMAO!!!!!

  3. jeremy P. says:

    Ramses Barden has *allusions* of grandeur — LOL!

    But all joking aside, where did all the potential go? Ramses should be a beast, at least in the Redzone, right?.

    If not him, my faith is in Hixon to be the opening day third wideout –he’s better than Manningham (regarding technique not athletically). Then ultimately a gradual transition to Randel late in the season, ala Nicks.

    With Osi coming off the bench and Kiwi as the rush linebacker we should be very very stout on D.

    PS: Big D, when will you be reviewing the DB position?

  4. royhobbs7 says:

    Big Daddy,

    Simply a great in-depth study on the Giants’ WRs. I read everything Giants ( I have been a Giants’ fan for over 50 years). This is one of the best and most informative critiques that I have ever read.
    Thanks so much. This is what I crave at this time of the year.
    Hope you’re wrong on Jernigan.

    Doc

    • Big Daddy says:

      Thank you I appreciate that.

      I try to dig up as much information as I could. Things that have NOT been reported or even maybe obscure reports like the Don Banks evaluation of Douglas. I was surprised when I found that, I never saw it before. But I’m sure that gorilla4 guy did.

  5. gorilla4realla says:

    does criticism bring out the cat in you!. i’m sure if harry carson or strahan visited training camp, some report would be on the site about it. And may be you go into extreme details about the wideouts, but this site and many other giants blog site has done blogs about the various positions. next up the offensive line and how many questions they have, or the issue at RB replacing brandon jacobs lack of production or ahmads injury history. heard it all before. look its your blog i’m not here to argue with you. if i don’t like the story. like the previous one i will decline to read. but to say there are not other things out there worth blogging about shows an extreme narrow mindedness. i bet you a Superbowl trophy collins, tully and the other guy doesn’t make the team, so who cares about them. Really is anyone googling them. giant fans already know who the wideouts on the team will be, save for may be one position. carry 6 and barden might be cut, if he’s not 7 max. But bro it’s your blog, i’m just visiting. Jeremy Fuchs blogs are usually informative and outside the norm. Again don’t be mad, just my opinion, I respect everyone’s opinion and the effort you put in to deliver an informative blog.

    • Big Daddy says:

      What you wrote are not criticisms, they are the rants of a totally misinformed and unrealistic person.

      What you want is almost gossip like and I don’t do that. I do hard factual based analysis and evaluations, period. That’s what I am here for and that is all I will do. There are other writers I suggest you contact them and ask them to do that kind of writing.

      I am not Jeremy, we do different things.

      Please just go away.

    • Vincent Iamunno says:

      Here’s a tip. Don’t read Big Daddy if you don’t like his blog. Simple?

  6. SonGod says:

    Personally, I think Barden may turn it around this year (to be honest, I’m high on Barden mostly based on stuff that Tom Coughlin said in a recent interview, but before that, I was intrigued by reading and hearing that he had been practicing well) especially because now his career is on the line, if the Giants dump him, he isn’t going to another team, he is going to be going home. There are plenty of younger receivers out there, with physical tools and guys getting cut and kids to be drafted and older vets with accomplishments and what not. He either does it this year, or its over, simple as that.

    As for Jerrigan, since Gilbride and Couglin have been speaking positively about him, and the 2 of them know receivers (personally, I think TC would be the best WR coach in the league if he wasn’t a head coach), I honestly do think Jerrigan will make some kind of impact this year. Everyone else, I am not so sure about (and I really do like Hixon, I just don’t think he can stay healthy).

    I don’t expect big things out of Randle this year, though I do expect them in the future, the Giants are always tough with rookie receivers, they don’t like playing them, and in fact, avoid young guys UNLESS forced to, or they simply out and out light things up.

    They run a very complicated system (though, they keep a short playbook, emphasizing the same plays over and over again, until the players have it down perfect and the giants feel they can do it in their sleep, the emphasis is on execution over creativity, instead of outsmarting you, they want to outplay you) which leads to a steep learning curve, with the reads and the need to be on the same page as Eli, its the old Oilers passing game but without the spread or 4 wide aspects.

    That said, this was an excellent article, and one of the best I have ever read, I can’t wait until you get to the DB’s or the defense in general. I also thought your OL article was fantastic before, this one might be even better. Keep it up.

    • Big Daddy says:

      The biggest problem for young players to catch onto is the changing of their rout depending on the defense. They have to identify the defense and change their rout, so many receivers had problems with this system and ran the wrong rout, Shockey for one. Nicks did it but is much better now and Manningham too many times to mention, that’s why he’s gone.

      You can see it on Eli’s face and his body language when that would happen. He would go back to the sideline and motion with his hand to Gilbride what the receiver should have done. He would use his hand kind of like an airplane to show what rout the receiver should have ran.

      I think the coaches expect with Nicks out for Randle to step up immediately, or they are hoping for him to. I think he will and be given a chance right away to get chemistry with Eli. After the success of Cruz the thought might be to move him along faster like they SHOULD have done with Cruz. They wasted a year, Cruz was ready and should NOT have been put on IR.

    • Big Daddy says:

      Oh and thank you, I have to admit I am no expert on football, I try though, who really is? Only a handful of people know all the facets. Even the ex NFL players on sports shows make you wonder if they know what they are talking about, some don’t have a clue.

      But I am always trying to learn more and get more information to pass onto the readers. It’s a closed union so to speak, they don’t give out the information that easily. It easy to get college stuff but to find up to date NFL schemes in-depth is hard.

      So you have to really dig and watch. Unless you know someone or have an insider you can contact it’s a guessing game. I don’t know ANYBODY, I sit here and try to find out by reading. There is so much mis-information out there, ya gotta know when it’s BS too.

      I do appreciate being appreciated. Thank you all. More to come.

      • royhobbs7 says:

        Big Daddy,

        Agreed. There are many out there who claim to know football that don’t. The so-called experts last year were (i.e., many of them) were picking the Falcons to beat the Giants in the playoffs. Then, most picked the Packers to beat the Giants in the next round, and so on.
        Regardless of who the experts selected, how many would have told you prior to last season that Victor Cruz would be the most explosive WR in the NFL? NONE!!!!!!!!!!!
        So who can predict???????
        Nevertheless, that is what makes the game of pro football so great. We all believe that we know something. But really, only a few have the predilection to fully understand the game and they are usually holding clipboards or in the front office of NFL organizations.

        Back to the Giants. I would love to see Barden succeed. He needs to break coverage off the LOS by using his size and strength to his advantage. It seems to me that he still feels that he is a collegiate WR and can win a matchup with his speed (which is lacking for a pro WR).
        Jernigan is another case. I believe that he sorely missed OTAs and training camp last year. He needed it desparately and will show the progress this year that was missing last year. He is quite fast and has jitterbug speed and moves.
        I don’t agree that we know all six WRs at present. Someone like Talley or Collins just might make this team. Or they might be taxied for this year and contribute down the road. Much of it depends on how they can be utilized on specials. Isn’t that what hurt Ramses his first year. Coach seemed to call him out and he did not respond to the challenge (i.e., Barden seems to be playbook lazy).

        Again, thanks for a great column. This was great!!!

        Doc

        • Big Daddy says:

          I always say I am a student of the game and always will be. I have no ego about it and readily admit when I’m wrong about something.

          You brought out some observations that have merit.

          I think Barden might just be a bit krazy man.

      • SonGod says:

        I know the feeling, I’m a football junkie, pure and simple, read everything in sight, from books to magazines (highly recommend K.C Joyners “Blind Sided: The left tackle is overrated” about various football topics) to websites to blogs.

        You are going to love the “All-22″ film this year, and my wife is going to kill me because thats about to become my new love, LOL.

        FWIW, Jerrigan (in the eyes of the Giants) was supposed to be the kind of player that Victor Cruz actually did become, a quick, speedy water bug (their words, not mine) type of player that would be in the slot.

        If everything breaks right for the Giants, what do you think are the odds, that we see more 4 wide sets or more spread sets from the former run and shoot guru Gilbride ?

        • Big Daddy says:

          Please don’t say waterbug, I live in a New York Shitty Apartment complex…LOL. I hate bugs….

          I watched college film of Jernigan and he was a one man team, did everything, even running the wildcat.

          Maybe RoyHobbs7 is right about missing OTAs.

          What is “all 22″?

          • SonGod says:

            Big Daddy,

            The “All-22″, is the greatest gift the football Gods will bestowing upon us humble people.

            Its the coaches film, the one thats never been allowed for the general public, even the media (except TV analysts) doesn’t get their hands on it, you see it occasionally on TV, where its from above, showing all 22 players on the field, its the whole field, the whole play, The NFL only recently decided to allow this to be put out.

            And don’t think it wasn’t without many objections.

            You get to see whole plays, not just whats on TV, You…….See…….EVERYTHING !!!!!!

            Its the same film, same thing that the coaches watch. The NFL was pretty damn adamant that they would never release it to the general public, and then abruptly changed its mind.

            If you want to get it, go to the NFL link below….

            https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=8&ttp=3

            Here is an article in the wall street journal about how the NFL was against it and just how important this film footage actually is………..

            http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577015903150731054.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet&mg=reno64-wsj

            BTW: I hate the whole “water bug ” reference, but Gilbride and Couglin like using it to describe Jerrigan (and in the past they described Cruz the same way, it makes my skin crawl, lol).

          • Big Daddy says:

            Oh yes All 22, great idea, they used to show that a long time ago. They had the camera and once in a while they would show that angle. It stopped.

            That is the only real way to learn exactly what teams are doing with coverages, blocking schemes, rout running. You see everything.

            But I’m NOT going to pay for anything, I already have a humongous cable bill and don’t even watch anything.

            It would definitely help but not at that price. I think if I where getting paid to write I would invest.

            Honestly I am thinking about getting it. It is tempting, but there is a bigger price. That price is knowledge, most of the things I learn I have to really dig for, this makes it easy. It also makes it easy to see all the boneheaded plays and poor coaching that is there more than the fans know. It’s like Adam and Eve eating the apple. Do I want all that knowledge?

            I have to think about it, right now I’m 50/50.

  7. Russo757 says:

    Here is the video of barden’s career with NY. Look at the pass against Dallas at 1:09. No reason to jump for a ball placed right in the bread basket. He does that a lot in this video.

    Just an observation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Cq5YTOcQM

    • Big Daddy says:

      Exactly he does jump for no reason.

      If you look at about 0.50 you will see the double move and arm swim and he still gets zero separation. No need for the double pump, it wasted so much time. He’s too slow, just take a false step use the swim move and go. But make contact with the arm and knock the guy away. It’s allowed as far as I know within the first 5 yards.

      That’s the video I used for my evaluation on him. I missed the jump thing.

      But even if he can’t shake that now the key is getting separation. That double move just ain’t cuttin’ it. Definitely has to dump the jump.

  8. SonGod says:

    Big Daddy,

    You NEED the all-22, its a game changer, not just as a fan, or as a blogger but as a student of the game. How often has a commentator or reporter stated that such and such was responsible for giving up the big play and showing a selective replay that appears that way, and then for the player to take responsibility ?

    With the All-22, you would see who actually blew the play or coverage (more often then NOT its not the safeties), but the player in question doesn’t want to throw his teammate under the bus. It happens all the time.

    With the All-22, you are going to see how much the same color commentators and analysts are WRONG or just outright lying when or after they make a mistake (Joe Theisman was one of the worst at this).

    This literally, changes everything, I can’t stress it enough. I hope you get it, but its going to be addictive.

    • Big Daddy says:

      Addictive, that’s another issue.

      Yeah I have written about that, how wrong the commentators are during games, I shut the sound off pretty much now. These are ex NFL players and I wonder about them, even ex coaches.

      That’s why I say there are few true experts.

      I’m 50/50, I have to think about it. I don’t know if I am going just with the Giants or the whole NFL. I might also be writing on a draft site for the Houston Texans so I might just need it all.

      You just about have me convinced.

    • Big Daddy says:

      That goes for you also SonGod. If you want to do a review of a game from that perspective and send it to me please do.

      You can pick a game if you like and do a little write up of what you saw that maybe we did not. And send it to me.

      I will do a blog on it.

      We can get a little participation from the people who are part of Giants Gab community.

    • ArthuroMolenda says:

      Even with all 22 you can’t be sure.

      You don’t know the defensive call, you don’t know the details of the scheme.

      You can guess and depending on how obvious it seems, maybe sometimes be right.

      But unless you know the call and have the playbook, there’s no way to know for sure what’s going on.

  9. royhobbs7 says:

    SonGod,

    Thanks for the tips. Think I am going to purchase all of the Giants’ games.

    Doc

    • Big Daddy says:

      If you do why don’t you do a little write up and I’ll check it out. Maybe I’ll do a blog on it saying this is royhobbs7 review on of this game from the all 22 view point.

      • royhobbs7 says:

        Big Daddy,

        Would love to do that. Hopefully, I have the time during the fall. But let’s keep in touch.

        Doc

  10. SonGod says:

    Big Daddy,

    Sounds like a plan, will try and give it a shot.