I call this premature mockulation, that’s when people do NFL mock drafts in the summer. Right now it’s an interesting aspect to the total football picture. Since camp is open and the players are battling for roster positions we see who is going to make the team, who is injured and who eventually will be cut. In that way the mock draft of 2013 becomes more and more intensely interesting to me. You start to develop a big board of prospects that not only you think are great players but that will fill the needs of the team as it evolves through the season. It’s set on a parallel course until they cross paths and finally meet at the draft.
So here goes, for the first pick I think Reese will take Alex Okafor. He might not be available when the Giants pick, we missed out on Chandler Jones. Osi might be gone after this season, although he’s singing a different tune this summer. Reese will pick not one but two defensive ends, pure 4-3 types. Bigger is better and faster is even better than that. There are some big pure 4-3 defensive ends in this draft and I suspect Reese will look for someone that is in the 6-4 to 6-5 area and 260 pound range, a little bigger than those hybrid pass rushing DE/OLB types like Brandon Jenkins. I am counting on the Giants drafting last again or at least close to last. This draft will be much more defense oriented, the last one was mostly offense. Out of the seven picks only 2 were defense, the third and the seventh picks, the rest where offense. The Giants drafted two offensive tackles, a wide receiver, a running back and a tightend. I doubt they will draft much more offense unless a player falls into their lap Reese cannot pass on.
If you can go by early camp it looks like we have our MIKE, Mark Herzlich is playing like the guy who was supposed to be a #1 pick, he is flat out beating Chase Blackburn. He’s also showing his coverage skills which are so important in Fewell’s Tampa 2 like defensive schemes. He has the size to be a great run stopper like the old time middle linebackers, but he has coverage skills too and nobody will out work him period. Herzlich and Kiwi give the Giants the kind of size in their linebacker corps they haven’t had for a long time.
So in reality it is very premature to have a mock draft right now but kind of fun. I am picking a first choice for that round and then 4 other players who might be available or might be picked in the next round. So it’s a mix of BPA (best player available) and need. I hope we won’t need anything and the next draft will be one to just fill the talent pool. But injuries are already rearing their ugly head with Thomas and Boley’s hammy, who is next, I hope no one?
RD1 – Alex Okafor – DE – 6’4” 260 Texas – Although he probably won’t be there, his stock is rising and he might go top 20. We hope that the Giants are drafting #32 again. Even if they do draft #32 and miss on Okafor there will be a top notch pass rusher available there are so many coming into this draft. There are more DEs in the later rounds that are a little raw that can probably still get playing time as a rookie and be effective. Another possibility might be William Gholston, 6’6” 278 pounds from Michigan State, yes the bother of the Jets bust, he is the real deal though and might be Reese’s choice over Okafor. After watching film he can just destroy offensive lines. The thought of JPP and him as book ends would make a QB have nightmares like they did when they had to face LT.
If these guys are NOT there the consolation prize might just be Manti T’eo who seems to be rated as a late first round early second round pick. If T’eo can prove his athleticism he should be able to play any linebacker position. From what I saw of his play he should be a top 20 pick, if indeed he runs a 4.5 40 at over 250 pounds even more so. In 2013 the Giants will have JPP, an aging Tuck and maybe an old Osi at DE and that’s it. This is the draft to refill the pass rush cup, you can never have enough pass rushers right. There really isn’t anything on the roster that looks like more than average after JPP, Tuck and Osi. I think Kiwi will be playing some DE on certain downs and situations this season.
Here are my choices for first round picks if one is not there go to the next.
First choice – Alex Oakafor – DE – 6’4 260 Texas
#2 – William Goldston – DE – 6’6’ – 278 Michigan State – Might be better than Okafor in the NFL, he’s a big powerful man but moves like a smaller one, quick fast.
#3 – Manti T’eo – MLB – 6’2” 255 – Norte Dame – Cat like moves, takes great angles and is a technician.
#4 – Jonathan Banks – CB – 6’1” 185 – Mississippi State – Impressive CB that might be moving up the boards.
#5 – Luke Joekel – LOT – 6’6” 310 – Texas A&M – Could be a top 20 pick.
RD2 – Kenny Vaccaro – FS/SS – Texas 6’1” 215 – An underrated player, watching some film you come away impressed with his abilities. One of those is something that in my opinion a free safety in the NFL needs, to play the ball and quarterback like a baseball centerfielder. It’s the same mentality, you roam the field ready to make a play on the ball. It’s so much just plain talent that cannot be taught. He does this very well whether it’s against the run or pass. With the status of Phillips contract and the need for quality defensive backs he would be a perfect fit for the Giants the way they use the free safety. As pure free safeties go one of the best is TJ McDonald, he will not be there as well as some other outstanding safeties in this draft when the Giants pick in the second round. I think Vaccaro will be there, some rated higher are better strong safety types even though they are free safeties.
Unless the offensive line has a very bad year, I can see going for a tackle, this draft should provide a descent one even in the second round. The Giants are hoping that it’s not necessary to draft another offensive tackle after investing in three the last two drafts, Brewer, McCants and Mosley. Another possibility would be a WR, I have no doubt about Randle, Cruz and Nicks, it’s after that, there are question marks about the quality of those receivers. If Barden doesn’t show anything a prospect to look at is Da’Rick Rodgers from Tennessee, at 6’3” and 215 he reminds me of Randle a lot, maybe faster. Also a possibility is another corner back because of the Thomas injury. Along with pass rushers you could never have enough cover guys. One possibility is Tyler Sash’s old running mate at Iowa cornerback Micah Hyde.
#1- Kenny Vaccaro – S – 6’1” – 215 Texas
#2 – Da’Rick Rodgers – WR – 6’3” 208 Tennessee – He might end up being a first round pick.
#3 – Micah Hyde – CB – 6’1” – 185 Iowa – Played with Tyler Sash and together made for a great secondary at Iowa.
#4 – Jesse Williams DT – 6’4” 320 – Alabama – Another Alabama defensive player, good size and can move.
#5 – Ricky Wagner – OT – 6’6” 320 – Wisconsin – Highly rated OT that might go sooner.
RD3 – Malliciah Goodman – DE – Clemson 6’4” 278- Another pass rusher, yup, this kid is a monster, fast first step and a nonstop motor, he plays with a mean streak and intensity. He’s just a little raw but he was a one man wrecking crew at times. Seriously the Giants live and die with their pass rush, in 2013 who will be their defensive ends? JPP, an aging Tuck and nothing else, I figure Osi will be gone, he will want more money than Reese will pay him, maybe not right now he seems happy and wants to stay a Giants.
I have a feeling Reese knew this draft is loaded at DE so he let it ride, this is where he refills the pass rush cup. He’s not that tall but has long arms and gets off blocks well, knows how to use leverage and keep offensive lineman at a distance. A pure 4-3 defensive end that can also play the run and is a sure tackler. Another choice might be a TE and I think Alabama’s Michael Williams at 6’5” and 265 pounds is the block first TE the Giants are looking for, he might have a breakout year and end up going sooner though, maybe later, who knows right now.
#1 – Malliciah Goodman – DE – 6’4” 278 Clemson
#2 – Michael Williams – TE – 6’5” 265 Alabama – Looks bigger than listed, good blocker and redzone target.
#3 – Kevin Reddick – ILB – 6’3” 240 North Carolina – has upside and size to develop into solid MIKE or SAM.
#4 – Gerald Hodges – OLB – 6’2” 234 Penn State – Good prospect at linebacker.
#5 – Logan Ryan – CB – 6’ 190 – Rutgers – Underrated CB that makes plays.
RD4 – Bruce Taylor – LB – 6’2” 243 Virginia Tech – I don’t know if he can cover, most college linebackers can’t. I have written about this before, how college football does not prepare their linebackers for the NFL game and it’s a crap shoot drafting them. Watching this kid play you immediately see the aggressiveness you need in the NFL. He has a good motor and hits hard, a sure tackler that punishes the people he hits. He might move up the draft boards if he has a great season. I think the Giants made a mistake not drafting Nigel Bradham, the Bills did, I hope they don’t miss on Taylor, just don’t give him #56. He does have an issue with his right foot that will/might drop him to the 4th round or lower.
#1 – Bruce Taylor – LB – 6’2” 243 Virginia Tech
#2 –Blaize Flotz– OG – 6’4” 310 TCU – Nice size guard that might fit the Giants scheme.
#3 – Spencer Ware – RB – 5’11” 224 LSU – Good back that can run and catch the ball well.
#4 – Keenan Davis – WR – 6’2” 215 – Iowa – Sleeper player that might go a lot sooner in draft.
#5 – Jeremiah Attaochu – OLB – 6’2” 235 – Georgia Tech – Good looking prospect for the WILL.
RD5 – Dion Sims – TE – 6’5” 276 Michigan State – Sims has had issues during his college career. It looks like almost all college football players have had some type of issue and most of them do not continue into their NFL careers. These are young men who need to just plain grow up. So far the coaches have been impressed with Sims maturing and he might be ready to move to the next level, the NFL. He is a powerful blocker and suited to the Giants type of tightend.
#1 – Dion Sims – TE – 6’5” 276 – Michigan State
#2 – Le’Von Bell – RB – 6’3” 237 – Michigan State – Power runner that hasn’t been overused, might move up the board with a good 2012 season.
#3 – Cameron Meredith – DE – 6’4” 260 – Nebraska – Good looking DE with some moves.
#4 – Gabe Jackson – OG – 6’4” 320 – Mississippi State – Big guard but maybe not the Giants type of player.
#5 – Aaron Dobson- WR – 6’2” 205 – Marshall – Underrated receiver.
RD6 – Kaleb Ramsey – DT 6’3” 302 – Boston College– He played exrememtly well in 2010 but had injury issues in 2011 and did not play. Will he play up to his 2010 level in 2012, if not his stock will drop late in the draft. It’s a low risk high reward situation, similar to Giants Marvin Austin.
#1 – Kaleb Ramsey – DT 6’3” 302 – Boston College
#2 – Tyler Hoover – DE – 6’6” 290 – Michigan State – Very big, more of a DT with a frame that can add weight.
#3 – Seantrel Henderson – OT – 6’8” 343 Miami Florida – Tall prospect with some upside.
#4 – Sean Renfree – QB – 6’4” 225 – Duke – NFL style QB that maybe overlooked because of injury.
#5 – Marquis Jackson – DE – 6’3” 260 – Portland State – Interesting prospect with some upside.
RD7 – Marcus Coker – RB 6’ 230 – He looked like the running back Iowa needed, big strong and fast. Yet something happened and he was suspended for a bowl game, he lost or asked for his release from his scholarship to the school and moved on to a small school, Stonybrook in New York. I’m sure he will have a tremendous year there, he really outclasses that level of college play and in 2012 might dominate and help them go to a bowl game of some kind. He has the frame to even add more weight and looks like the type of back that will do well in the NFL. He doesn’t need a huge hole and accelerates well using minimal movement, he’s very efficient. He’s also a short strider, no wasted motion, just hits the hole and runs for daylight.
I think the Giants will need another back, I like Wilson and think he will be their #1 after this season because Bradshaw will be worn out, Scott hasn’t been the player I thought he would, DJ Ware is a journeyman and my man Martinek is unproven. Andre Brown is another unproven back who might just be a good 4th back on the roster. Coker will probably drop to the 7th round or even be a UDFA because of his history and now being small school player. After watching film from Iowa in 2010 I think he has the potential to be a really good back in the Giants scheme, he can catch the ball too, plus he has the size and power to block.
#1 – Marcus Coker – RB 6’0 230 – Stonybrook NY
#2 – Braxton Cave – OC – 6’3” 303 – Notre Dame – Underrated center who had some injury issues and like the Giants Jim Cordle might be forgotten about, was rated highly before his injury, has NFL size.
#3 – Montori Hughes DT 6’3” 328 – Tennessee – Martin – had some issues but looks like he has turned things around.
#4 – Quinton Dial DE/DT 6’5” 304 – Alabama – Has some upside as a prospect.
#5 – John Youboty – DE – 6’4” 258 – Temple – Another DE that has some ability.
It seems I learn something new about football every day. One of my favorite aspects to it is the draft, evaluating the talent and then seeing if you were right about the players. I have been wrong about so many and I wondered why. But it’s not only me, it’s everybody including the so called experts like Mel Kiper or the supposed true experts like the general managers of NFL teams. I would wonder over the years how in the hell did this guy get that job, I know I and so many others could draft better than him, yet he gets the big bucks. I think the worst had to be Matt Millen, who seems like a good guy just a terrible GM.
Talking about players I liked and was happy the Giants drafted, I liked Sintim and I think he never made it because of injury, I don’t think it was anything else. Not little things, severe injuries, two blown out knees for instance. I was so high on Barden, but I knew there was risk. I am very disappointed in him because I know he has the ability to be an outstanding receiver yet he just cannot make the grade. This is his time now to show what he can do, it’s the last year of his contract and this is it. What a shame, he reminds me so much of Plax on the field but lacks that killer instinct Plax had, Burress knew he was going to get that ball. Maybe its focus and attention to detail, I wish I knew I would sell that information because nobody yet can measure heart and love for the game of football.


August 2nd, 2012
Big Daddy
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I feel the sum of work that goes into doing a 7 round mock with alternates deserves a read and a comment.
I don’t get the point though.
There’s nothing else to talk about right now that’s the point.
This is the start and as the season goes on you see how well these players play in college and what the Giants needs are. For instance if Barden doesn’t play well the Giants are going to draft another receiver.
I think Randle was drafted because Barden can’t play, whatever Barden does this season won’t play a major role in how we draft.
If we draft another receiver early in 2013 then it most likely means that either Randle or Jernigan aren’t working out.
Randle will make it, maybe the best one we have.
Talley, Collins and Douglas, read my review of the WRs.
Randle was drafted because Manningham was not going to be resigned. He could not grasp the offense and wanted too much money for a third receiver who was hit and miss.
Barden is a write off, the Giants have basically given up on him. He will not be resigned. Jerigan is doubtful as a WR. He does not have the functional strength to play in the NFL yet.
Hixon is a ?, getting old for the position and injury issues. Unless someone steps up BIG along with Randle, the Giants will draft another WR.
Why BIG ? If Randle makes it, we’ll be set at 1-2-3 for a few years. If we can’t resign both Cruz and Nicks we’ll need another #1 but it won’t have anything to do with anyone we have on the roster now.
Why would they use a day one pick on a 4th WR who’ll get 100 snaps a season ?
We need one WR to step up as a viable #3 option, that’s it.
You have to look into the future as a GM. It’s also about contracts and injuries. Nicks has proven to be slightly injury prone. He has not been 100% healthy, ever. Cruz like I said had one good year.
Randle might be the best of them all and next year there will be some very excellent receivers coming into the draft. You cannot pass on one if he’s there like Reese could NOT pass on Randle. We might also be looking into an RB too. These type of players sometimes even if they are great players have short self lives.
You must look to replace every player on the team within a certain amount of years. Each Draft has one or more positions that have more talent there than others. In this next draft by far it is defensive ends/pass rushers for both 3-4 and 4-3 teams.
So it’s not, I say NOT a priority as you draft BPA. You can find a pass rusher in the 2013 draft even though you need one, just wait and one should fall into your lap. The Giants need 2, after JPP what do we have? Osi and Tuck. That’s not enough so you can beat Reese will be going after pass rushers like a madman since the rest of his team is loaded with talent.
In-between hoarding defensive ends he will look for a WR and/or RB or TE, definitely going to draft a DB. You might see him go after as many UDFA DTs as he can find and try to get one of those diamond in the rough type players. That will depend a lot on the performance of Marvin Austin.
As oppossed to a situation that you need a player at a certain position and none are available in the draft. So you may reach or sign a veteran FA until you can find one in the draft next year or even the year after.
I think the Giants have been playing that too long with linebackers but might have struck some gold with Herzlich and some of the other mid round picks. Same for ROT with Mosley.
The Giants WILL resign Nicks and Cruz, I don’t think we have to worry about that, that’s why drafting WR’s (and the draft in general) around them will be important, they will not be able to get anyone in free agency at that position (and others) for a while after Nicks, Cruz, JPP, etc. are signed up.
I think Reese is happy with a good, but not great offensive line and linebacker corps and spending will be done more on skill positions than in years past with this team. This is a hard cap league, you can’t have pro-bowlers at every position.
Exactly that’s why you have to spread it out and hope some of those later picks and UDFA players become solid.
Hard cap reality means you must draft well and develop your players. With some it takes time with other it doesn’t work and you have to replace them.
Replacing Barden is looking like it’s a necessity, he’s just not going to make it. I have the same feelings about Jernigan. I think one of the three UDFA WRs will make it and contribute. Now you have Nicks who has a injury history, Cruz who is so far a one year wonder, Randle who hasn’t done anything yet and Hixon who is a question mark plus one or 2 of the UDFAs that’s six players you are counting on this coming season and beyond hopefully. That’s good but what about 2013, 2014, 2015? Reese will probably draft a WR next year.
It has so much to do with how some players turn out, if the linebackers all step it up that’s a position that will not need to be addressed. Now you can spend some of those assets (draft picks) on a DT which is something needed. Canty, Joesph, maybe Austin and some old players filling in is all we have there. So you can now maybe use a higher pick on a DT in 2012.
The Thomas injury hurt in terms of the draft. The Giants spent a #3 in 2012 draft and a #1 in 2011. You expect the #1 to contribute a lot and the #3 to come on and start to. But with Webster getting older and the pass happy league you need 4 good solid CBs, where as in the past having your 2 starters was enough. Now you need 4 in case of injury and nickle/dime packages.
If Hosley comes on big and Coe does a good enough job you don’t have to hope Thomas comes back, it’s good if he does but you’re not banking on it anymore. So you have to think about no matter what a safety and maybe a CB within the first 5 rounds. If Prince and Hosley play well you can go safety and maybe not CB.
Notice Janzen Jackson is being tried at CB. Even though safety depth is needed he is being tried at CB, think about that. He’s not doing too well there right now but give him time. He’s not a pure cover guy so it’s new to him, he has talent though. Hill is probably the better prospect at safety and is playing well. I hope they move Jackson back to safety, I wonder why they moved him to CB.
My point is for every player who steps up and plays well it offsets the ones that are expected to and don’t. That’s what makes you look at the draft and free agency differently. When it comes to FAs it all about your cap as it is with the players already on your team you must re-sign. This all makes the draft that much more important and displaces the whole BPA mentality with need in certain instances.
I feel I should have asked this right away, but what exactly do you mean by “they will draft a WR” ?
Look hard for them day 1 or take a shot with a 5th round pick ?
The former I don’t believe in, the latter is pretty likely.
It depends on about 100 things. The injuries of players, which players step up and which don’t.
The biggest question is Barden and Jernigan, also Hixon. How they perform this season will be a deciding factor. Next will be how the injury issue with Nicks develops. Next will be how the three UDFAs signed work out, they all have talent. Next of course will be what other positions might have priority.
Best case scenario Barden breaks out and has a great year, as does Randle. Jerigan becomes the slot WR to backup Cruz and a KR. Hixon is back 100%, all three UDFAs flash. We trade someone before the deadline for a great pick in the loaded 2013 draft like a 4th round or better from a desperate team. Maybe even trade 2 players, everybody needs receivers.
Reality dictates that from the past it looks like the only player that has a good year other than Nicks and Cruz is Randle. One of those 3 UDFAs will make the roster along with Hixon, it’s looking like Douglas right now. The rest, that’s the big question mark and if this is the case and nobody else steps up a WR will be drafted within the first 3 rounds IMO.
How could Randle and Barden both have a great year ? If one of them produces like Manningham did last season, the other won’t see the field much.
We go 4WR less than 2% of our snaps. Add 100 snaps for injuries and a few “I’ll give the D an alignment to think about” from Gillbride and our #4 WR will see less than 150 snaps.
I don’t see Reese drafting a WR in the 1st 3 to be that player.
Of course if Nicks is hurt every 4 games then things change.
Your last statements sums it up.
Nicks health, the what ifs and who gets hurt. Nicks out, the starters are Randle and Cruz. Barden moves into the 3rd or Z spot and Cruz to the slot or Y, Randle is the X depending on how the Giants use their terminology in 3 Wr sets. So there’s plenty of balls to go around.
Nicks has to heal, the Giants are not going to ever make the same mistake they did with Thomas and have done before. I have written about them getting players back to soon and those players getting hurt again.
So who is the fourth WR, Hixon or Douglas lets say. Jernigan plays sparingly and returns kickoffs. Now what if Barden sucks, Hixon doesn’t have it anymore and Jernigan is Moss. Houston we’ve got a problem.
So it all depends on who can play and to what level.
I don’t think Nicks is coming back so fast and who knows when if ever he’ll be 100%. Hixon is a ? with 2 knee injuries, I doubt he’s going to be a bigtime playmaker or even effective as a receiver. It’s up to what if anything the three UDFAs can do. So many questions……
When there are answers than we’ll know, right now it looks like a WR will be drafted somewhere from the first to the fifth round, if things go bad expect a second round pick to be used. If things go good maybe no WR is drafted, that also depends on the TE play. We don’t know how Bennett will play, Bear is good but not a starting NFL TE and so far the rookie TE is dropping everything. Again don’t expect Beckum to be back so soon if ever. He’s not a starting TE anyway.
Funny you should mention X, Y and other letters, I was actually wondering if we had a definite split end and a definite flanker on the team. I didn’t have the courage to go through the tape though.
That’s a good question. The slot is like a flanker I guess. that’s why they want specifically Cruz in the slot meaning that the TE will be tight on the LOS and Cruz will be on the strong side in a slot. That means Randle will be in Nicks spot as the SE or Split end.
Yes the Giants have specific positions. Barden has played in the slot mostly. I have seen them move around depending on a few things but it’s Nicks on the weak side and Cruz and the strong in a 2 WR set.
I’m excited about the possiblity of more 2 back sets and not just a FB and HB in some sort of modified I formation.
I’d like to see more motion in multiple WR sets, with a 2 back set you can really do a lot also. The Giants have so much talent, move them around spread them out and air it out. Gilbride wake up, Coughlin wake up it’s 2012 let Eli be the man.