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Talking Points For the Giants/Redskins Game.

We’ll have our “Giants Roundtable” piece later in the week where we will take an indepth look at this past game and preview the Cowboys game so I just want to mention a few things in passing and see what people are feeling.

Corey Webster meet Pro Bowl. Pro-Bowl meet Corey Webster. (Not based on that one play…I’ve posted this stat before, but the Giants were the fifth best team last year against opposing 1 Wide Receivers according to DVOA…and that is almost exclusively relating to Corey Webster). Corey Webster is a very good cornerback.

I thought Eli was Very impressive today (with the exception of one throw, but even on that throw I thought LaRon Landry made a very good play)… But Being the Eli Manning apologist that I am, I was not suprised.

I’ve said this time and time and time again (ad nasuem)…that Plaxico and Amani were fine, BUT they were NEVER WIDE OPEN.

Plaxico and Toomer had no seperation speed right off the ball…that’s all these wide recievers have. Nicks and Barden have the potential to fight for the ball in the air and bail out bad passes, but Smith, Hixon and Manningham are PURE speed guys and good route runners.

That’s not a problem…it’s just that with these kind of players I Truly believe that we’ll see Eli Manning’s completion percentage go up this year.

The Giants, for as long as I can remember (seems that way at least)…have had problems with drops.

And I’m going to keep a Season-Long tally for my own purposes…here are the drops I saw and remember (please let me know if you noticed any others). By drops I mean really catchable balls that are just missed.

Brandon Jacobs: 1
Ahmahd Bradshaw: 2
Hakeem Nicks: 1

I’m a person who admits when he is wrong (because I also like to tell you when I’m right 🙂 ).

I did NOT believe Ahamahd Bradshaw had the potential to be a solid number two running back in this league…He looked great today, he looked great in pre-season. That move he put on Philip Daniels (?) was excellent. He’s very fast. I could definitely be wrong about Bradshaw. Hopefully he stays healthy…he has more upside than Derrick Ward.

Bruce Johnson=Great find. The Giants entered this game with 3! Active Cornerbacks which means Bruce Johnson was going to play a lot and he played well. Antwan Randel El got the best of him at times, but for his first career start against a division rival in a prime-time slot (only two other games on at that time slot) he played well. 3 tackles and a Forced Fumble.

Haynesworth talked trash to Brandon Jacobs about how it’d be the same tackling him as it would any other Running back…and then Jacobs ran sqaure into him on the goal line…Haynseworth got the stop and then was seen on the sideline in obvious pain. Classic.

Speaking of Red Zone–The Giants have to figure out the answer there (Many fans would suggest…firing Gilbride as a start…It’s either Hakeem Nicks, Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Kevin Boss)

Speaking of Travis Beckum…was he there?

Score does not tell the whole story. Giants dominated much of the game.

Lastly, this wasn’t particularly related directly to the Giants game, but I can not Stand the prevent defense…the only thing it prevents is winning.

Let me know what you think?

Impressed by the wide receivers? Did the defense look good?

How about that Bradshaw?

Have a nice day, everyone.

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5 Responses to “Talking Points For the Giants/Redskins Game.”

  1. I was given a #44 jersey as a gift a couple years ago, i wear it proudly. Not only did Ahmad Bradshaw put the Giants in the playoffs of ’07 in the Buffalo game when he was a rookie, he was a clutch back all the way through the playoffs and he was the leading back in the Superbowl. He stepped up big time, and I don NOT miss having Ward in front of Bradshaw in the depth chart. I think he’ll have a breakout year, and I love seeing Jacobs and Bradshaw as the tandem this year… brings back good memories i guess.

  2. firing Gilbride is not the answer — maybe Coughlin should sit “Killdrive” down and suggest they come up with a more creative Redzone playbook to work with. I mean Gilbride DOES do a great job getting the Gmen into scoring position, but once they get there its run, run, run or maybe pass, then field goal. they were 0/3 on conversions there — thats a bigtime issue that needs attention.

    I liked the screen to manningham the next drive down though — maybe they need to focus on scoring from the 30 instead of inside the 20, they are much better just outside the redzone.

  3. BlueFanFla says:

    Andrew…. I agree that firing Gilbride gets mentioned as a solution to the few problems the Giants have on offense. I am wondering with what NFL team did these posters have their last offensive coordinators job with.

    Some plays work and some don’t. Offensive coordinators don’t purposely draw up or call plays so that they DON’T work. The full expectation is that if every player does his job, the play will succeed. The emphasis being PLAYERS!!!!.

    I agree that I would like to see the fade to Barden in the “Green” zone but supposedly he has trouble getting off the line past defenders (According to the posts from camp), and that is key in the limited space in the limted space down there.

    I have only found this blog in that last 2 weeks, but it is starting to become one of my favorites. Good intelligent discussions of football, not a lot of sniping at each pother because of differences in the outlooks/perspectives each sees.

    I am a Florida resident, and am getting up there in age (70) but am an original New York resident that has been a Giants fan since the age of 16.

    Keep up the good work and GO GMEN!!!

  4. Andrew Ilnicki says:


    Thanks for checking in!

    Gilbride has shown some nice ideas in his playbook, a balanced attack plan with great ideas and when they get executed, yes things work. emphasis on execution, therefore its up to the players. we’re on the same page there.

    Inside the 20 however, that is not the case. When you know what a team is going to in a certain situation, obviously you can figure out with greater precision how to counter. And in these short yardage situations that’s exactly what the Skins did. They KNEW with 100% certainty what the Giants were going to do and they made execution nearly impossible. They were able to come up with those crucial stops on a straightforward brawn vs brawn play.

    Typically the execution aspect trumps the idea or the tactic. But the Giants clearly show they are able to get into scoring position and control the line of scrimmage…. thats good ideas and good execution.

    BUT — the problem area for Gilbride and the Giants is the ideas or tactics presented in the red zone, not execution. And it needs to be looked at from that perspective because the Giants have failed at executing those short yardage plays in the last 2 seasons… its not a fluke miscue. In other words — every time the Giants get into the situation they were in on the 3 yard line Sunday, they run the exact same play. Think about that — what an advantage that is for the Defense to have!

    You want proof? Notable examples from last year include Pittsburgh, Philadelphia twice, and Baltimore that had 100% mirror situations and the Giants could not convert using the EXACT same tactics.

    So at what point do you realize you need to try a new tactic? Perhaps a FAKE handoff to Jacobs and a TE peels off for a score for example — that one by contrast has worked extremely well.

    Forgive my rant because not all is lost – but this is one area that needs big time attention. On a positive note the Giants can utilize their past play calling history and really SELL A FAKE at this point, its time to see some different tactics and ideas out on the field in the red zone.

  5. Juan de Onis says:

    Why fire Gilbride? It is Coughlin´s team and he has to solve the red zone problem. Throwing Jacobs at a defense stacked to stop the run isn´t very imaginative. Teams that score touchdowns consistently inside the 20 don´t stick to the obvious.

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